2016 NHL Draft

[Gaskal]

Ugh.

Think of it this way, if we won the 3rd OA in the lottery and someone - either a CP poster or media-type - even remotely suggested the possibility of trading down to Brown, we'd shut it down so hard it'd revert back to Windows 95.

Service Pack 1.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Ugh.

Think of it this way, if we won the 3rd OA in the lottery and someone - either a CP poster or media-type - even remotely suggested the possibility of trading down to Brown, we'd shut it down so hard it'd revert back to Windows 95.

Service Pack 1.

What if we were great on wing and didn't have Bennett and Monahan? I think it would be a different story. I would agree in this case though as I think Brown is not a guy that will be a top end C

[Vinny01]

I agree that if we can get the number 3 pick I would be willing to move a lot. The way Korpisalo has played they could definitely move on from Bobrofsky and his franchise goalie payday.

I agree with the above post by Cinephile. 6, 2 2nds, Backlund.

I would even take Hartnell back as well and kick in some salary or even a RFA like Colborne.

[Poe969]

Puljujarvi is the player that the Flames need, now and for the future. If CBJ is willing to move the pick, give them what they want, picks and/or players and even take a bad contract back, make other deals to make space if need be ...just find a way to get Puljujarvi.

#6, Backlund/janko ,colborne, 2 seconds...essentially write a blanck cheque to get t done. I think the Flames can make it work.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Table 5

People always say to draft Centers and Dmen because they can easily be traded to fill other holes in your lineup. Well, as we stand we have an abundance of depth at Defense and Center, and have a giant hole on Wing. Time to take action!

We have three good centers and three good defensemen. That's not an abundance, more like the bare minimum for a good team. At center we don't even have much prospect depth. Jankowski is pretty much it.

I'm not saying that I'm fundamentally opposed to trading away Backlund, but I think people are undervaluing him in the trade speculation, both in how valuable he is to us and how much value a 45-50 point two-way center has in general.

[Samonadreau]

Columbus is in need of top, top end forwards and at the top of that list is a #1 center. Because of this I can't see them moving away from the #3 pick for anything less then a bona-fide #1 center. The closest we can offer is Monahan or maybe Bennett (future #1). I'm not willing to trade either of those guys and that may not even be enough for CBJ to pull the trigger.

Ask yourself would you trade Monahan or Bennett for the #3? If the answer is no then you aren't getting Pulijarvi. If the answer is yes then say that's what your willing to do.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah if they want a high end center then it's:

Bennett for 3rd overall
Monahan for 3rd overall PLUS

Obviously we keep 6th overall in both those scenarios as well.

I don't want either of those deals. Center depth is huge. Especially high end center depth.

I wonder how bad they want to dump Clarkson's contract? If the answer is REALLY badly then maybe that's an "IN"

3rd overall
David Clarkson ($1,000,000 retained)

for

6th overall
Matt Stajan

That Clarkson deal is beyond terrible though. It's buy out proof right to the end, and comes complete with a NMC.

My only other stipulation to the above deal would be that Clarkson needs to agree in writing to waive his NMC for the purposes of any future expansion drafts. Not that he'd be taken, but just so we wouldn't be forced to protect him instead of a younger player.

He'd be more palatable at $4,250,000 per year, and he is a right shot who can play a gritty game.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah if they want a high end center then it's:

Bennett for 3rd overall
Monahan for 3rd overall PLUS

Obviously we keep 6th overall in both those scenarios as well.

I don't want either of those deals. Center depth is huge. Especially high end center depth.

I wonder how bad they want to dump Clarkson's contract? If the answer is REALLY badly then maybe that's an "IN"

3rd overall
David Clarkson ($1,000,000 retained)

for

6th overall
Matt Stajan

That Clarkson deal is beyond terrible though. It's buy out proof right to the end, and comes complete with a NMC.

My only other stipulation to the above deal would be that Clarkson needs to agree in writing to waive his NMC for the purposes of any future expansion drafts. Not that he'd be taken, but just so we wouldn't be forced to protect him instead of a younger player.

He'd be more palatable at $4,250,000 per year, and he is a right shot who can play a gritty game.

Not having the 3rd OA still allows the Flames to build a cup team. Being handcuffed to Clarkson limits that possibility quite significantly IMO

[kyuss275]

Getting the 3rd pick would be great but it's a tall order. I see some posters throwing in Backlund into the deal. Does Columbus even need a Backlund? They need first line centers. Last I checked they had plenty of 2nd/3rd line centers.

Some of the deals mentioned make no sense. Take on Clarkson? Backlund, Colborne, 6oa, and 2 2nd round picks?

I think value wise from past drafts it would be something like 6th oa, 2nd round pick, and a 4th. I got no problem if the flames want to go a bit higher and pay 6th oa, and 2 2nd round picks. I guess flames could throw in some prospects instead of the 2nd 2nd round pick. Don't really see anything from the flames roster that Columbus would want that the flames would be willing to give up.

All that said i want that 3rd oa. lol

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah if they want a high end center then it's:

Bennett for 3rd overall
Monahan for 3rd overall PLUS

Obviously we keep 6th overall in both those scenarios as well.

I don't want either of those deals. Center depth is huge. Especially high end center depth.

I wonder how bad they want to dump Clarkson's contract? If the answer is REALLY badly then maybe that's an "IN"

3rd overall
David Clarkson ($1,000,000 retained)

for

6th overall
Matt Stajan

That Clarkson deal is beyond terrible though. It's buy out proof right to the end, and comes complete with a NMC.

My only other stipulation to the above deal would be that Clarkson needs to agree in writing to waive his NMC for the purposes of any future expansion drafts. Not that he'd be taken, but just so we wouldn't be forced to protect him instead of a younger player.

He'd be more palatable at $4,250,000 per year, and he is a right shot who can play a gritty game.

I know Columbus might not be the richest team, but I think that contract harms them less than it would harm the Flames.

After the NHL draft lottery occurred, I thought Columbus would be the least likely to trade their pick out of every team in the first round. But hearing these Brown rumours certainly makes things interesting.

I agree with anyone who says the Blue Jackets don't need or want Backlund. Backlund is good, but the Blue Jackets have many 2nd line centers. They want elite skill. If Columbus did trade down, I doubt it would be very far. They surely want a very high-end prospect.

Perhaps the Flames could offer the 6th+35th, then 6th+53rd+55th, then 6th+35th+53rd, then finally 6th+35th+53rd+65th. These last offers would really only be offered if the Flames truly valued Puljujarvi. Or if they hated the idea of picking 6th as much as I do.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I see stuff floating around like Monahan or Bennett for #3 and it re-enforces what makes me hate this time of year. You would seriously trade away a player that has shown he is already capable of playing in the top six, and in the middle no less, for a winger that might - someday- play in the top six? The hype is ####ing insane.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by New Era

I see stuff floating around like Monahan or Bennett for #3 and it re-enforces what makes me hate this time of year. You would seriously trade away a player that has shown he is already capable of playing in the top six, and in the middle no less, for a winger that might - someday- play in the top six? The hype is ####ing insane.

I can't keep up with this thread, but is there serious talk of trading Bennett or Monahan PLUS the 6th overall for 3rd overall? That's insane if anyone suggested it, but all I've seen so far is 6th overall plus more draft picks or Backlund type players.

[GoJetsGo]

^ Do either of you want to try and find *one* post where someone says they would trade Bennett or Monahan for the #3 Pick?

I hate year-round how people grossly exaggerate, or rant without reading.

A few people have (soberly and aptly) suggested that's likely what it would take... but I don't recall seeing anyone suggest the should Flames do that.

Big difference.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I can't keep up with this thread, but is there serious talk of trading Bennett or Monahan PLUS the 6th overall for 3rd overall? That's insane if anyone suggested it, but all I've seen so far is 6th overall plus more draft picks or Backlund type players.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

^ Do either of you want to try and find *one* post where someone says they would trade Bennett or Monahan for the #3 Pick?

I hate year-round how people grossly exaggerate, or rant without reading.

A few people have (soberly and aptly) suggested that's likely what it would take... but I don't recall seeing anyone suggest the should Flames do that.

Big difference.

Either of us? And you're telling me to read? Read my post again. I said pretty much exactly what you just said - That I don't recall anyone actually suggesting we trade either of them.

God damn, no wonder you get into fights with everyone, every other day. Brutal.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Either of us? And you're telling me to read? Read my post again. I said pretty much exactly what you just said - That I don't recall anyone actually suggesting we trade either of them.

God damn, no wonder you get into fights with everyone, every other day. Brutal.

Could you be a little bit more defensive? The bulk of that comment was aimed at the post above yours. Since you weren't ranting at all, I thought that would have come through.

[jayswin]

Then be clear. When you start a post with "^ Do either of you want to try and find *one* post where someone says they would trade Bennett or Monahan for the #3 Pick? " and then go on to suggest who you're referring to is stupid and not able to read properly, then yeah the other person who you're totally not referring to yet referred to may take offense.

As JiriHrdina suggested, when you're the common denominator in so many fights, maybe take a look at yourself and how you're posting. Be a little more clear if you're going to be aggressive and suggest people can't read.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Then be clear. When you start a post with "^ Do either of you want to try and find *one* post where someone says they would trade Bennett or Monahan for the #3 Pick? " and then go on to suggest who you're referring to is stupid and not able to read properly, then yeah the other person who you're totally not referring to yet referred to may take offense.

As JiriHrdina suggested, when you're the common denominator in so many fights, maybe take a look at yourself and how you're posting. Be a little more clear if you're going to be aggressive and suggest people can't read.

You should take a look in the mirror because this seems like an extreme over-reaction. Even if you were correct, I asked you to back something up, not insulted a family member. If you are that perturbed by me, I suggest you use the ignore feature. Because you seem on the verge of hysteria and just got twice as aggressive as you're accusing me of being.

[jayswin]

I'm not polaking at all, I'm calm, just calling you out for using derogatory, aggressive tone AND getting your target wrong and then acting like it's my fault.

Basically, this is a microcosm of why you're always in fights and you should take the opportunity to improve your posting style, with maybe a little less aggression or at least get things right if you're going to be condescending and this will happen a lot less. But instead, like usual, you believe everyone else is the problem.

Cheers

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I think if Calgary offered Bennett straight up for 3 OA, the Jackets would take it and laugh at BT for being so stupid. Adding to that? Insanity.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'm not polaking at all, I'm calm, just calling you out for using derogatory, aggressive tone AND getting your target wrong and then acting like it's my fault.

Basically, this is a microcosm of why you're always in fights and you should take the opportunity to improve your posting style, with maybe a little less aggression or at least get things right if you're going to be condescending and this will happen a lot less. But instead, like usual, you believe everyone else is the problem.

Cheers

Right, the outraged "god dam" + "brutal" and acting like a mod was all calm and cool on your part. That wasn't a huge over-reaction at all

Anyway, I can't be more clear and have since told you the bulk of that post wasn't aimed at you. If you'd like to continue acting like a hall monitor, feel free to PM me, because this is the lamest thread-derailment in some time.