Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The University of Birzeit, a Palestinian organization recently posted a poll showing that 70% of their people support the October 7th attacks and that there were barely any war crimes committed by them.

This was after 20,000 were already dead.

Just before the October 7 attacks, this survey was conducted:

According to the latest survey, a majority of Palestinians (51%) supported a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders

A quarter of respondents also said they supported “armed resistance” as a preferred solution to Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

So yeah, shocking news that you destroy people's homes and kill their family members and they turn angry.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I get the argument that some people are saying that if you bomb the hell out of them, then you just create more extremists and terrorist, but we are also talking about people being led by a cult that wants to install a caliphate in Israel, and eventually the whole world.

Basically the survey numbers you posted are evidence this is creating more extremists and terrorists, and that previous to that, 50-75% of them wanted to live in peace with their neighbours.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bagor

It's just a big long winded read to atempt to justify the indiscriminate slaughter of thousands of innocents.

There's been a lot of that lately, in here.

[TherapyforGlencross]

On a different note, not sure what Palestinian protestors are trying to achieve by blocking roads and 401 entryway. Police really need to start handing over heavier fines and/or arrests.

[Bagor]

Protestors try to highlight and call for an end to Genocide including slaughter of ~15k woman and children.

Man gets upset because access road to 401 blocked.

Sorry for your troubles.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Protestors try to highlight and call for an end to Genocide including slaughter of ~15k woman and children.

Man gets upset because access road to 401 blocked.

Sorry for your troubles.

Toronto’s Tamil disporia held a similar protest in 2009, blocking the Gardiner Expressway in an effort to highlight the ongoing conflict in their country.

http://https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5130342

Personally, I don’t see how a protest in Canada can have any effect on the conflict in Gaza. I certainly don’t think it makes other Canadians more sympathetic to their cause, if that is at least partially what their goal is. The similar protest did not have the desired effect for the Tamils.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Protestors try to highlight and call for an end to Genocide including slaughter of ~15k woman and children.

Man gets upset because access road to 401 blocked.

Sorry for your troubles.

It’s an inconvenience 1st world problem, sure, but it’s ####ed up to complete such a thing on Christmas Day… for what effect? What does this have to do with Canada? I’m sympathetic to the cause, but again, what do the protestors wish to accomplish lol. They deserve fines and arrests, just as the people who block railroads and trucker convoy protestors.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Protestors try to highlight and call for an end to Genocide including slaughter of ~15k woman and children.

Man gets upset because access road to 401 blocked.

Sorry for your troubles.

To protest the troubles in Myanmar I'm going to blockade your driveway. If you complain, I can no longer take you seriously.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

It’s an inconvenience 1st world problem, sure, but it’s ####ed up to complete such a thing on Christmas Day… for what effect? What does this have to do with Canada? I’m sympathetic to the cause, but again, what do the protestors wish to accomplish lol. They deserve fines and arrests, just as the people who block railroads and trucker convoy protestors.

Blocking the 401 isn't just an inconvenience, it's critical infrastructure and blocking traffic can impact the welfare and safety of citizens. Anyone who has lived down there knows how many emergency vehicles rely on the 401 every day. It wasn't just blocking traffic, they were firing flares to scare drivers.

[activeStick]

Groups in Israel are now attacking the Armenian community that lives there.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1740343013623365747

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Groups in Israel are now attacking the Armenian community that lives there.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1740343013623365747

"Groups" in Israel?

This is very specific to one group and the dispute has been going on for months. An Israeli-Australian business man is trying to develop real estate and the Armenians have been protesting it. The business man is basically a mobster, but this has nothing to do with the Gaza conflict or the IDF. His company is actually registered in Dubai. He leased/Purchased land from the Greek Orthodox Church with the intent to develop it with a luxury hotel, and a lawsuit against him was launched yesterday by the local Armenians who live there. It's organized crime, not unlike what happens in a lot of countries in that region.

[Manhattanboy]

Hamas cannot be permitted to continue to exist in any form.

Gut-Wrenching New York Times Report Details Widespread Sexual Atrocities on October 7

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...ror-onslaught/

[Manhattanboy]

Last Canadian missing after Hamas attack, Judih Weinstein Haggai, declared dead

https://apple.news/ABmsrxhwqTNqtcHiG4if3hA

Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly learned of her death "with heavy heart," she said Thursday on social media.
"I have met with her family and they have described her as loving, kind and compassionate. Canada mourns her loss with her family and loved ones," Joly said.
The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs said Jews across Canada are heartbroken, after praying that Weinstein Haggai would still be alive.
"Judih and her husband Gadi are among the 129 Israeli souls still being held by Hamas," wrote the head of the Canadian group, Shimon Koffler Fogel.
"Whether they are alive or not, they all must be immediately and unconditionally returned to their homes and their families in Israel."

She was a volunteer who pursued peace between Palestinians and Israelis.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It wasn't just blocking traffic, they were firing flares to scare drivers.

Wow! That's serious. You got a link for that?

[Bagor]

So good to have today's technology. Able to provide analysis of the slaughter from outside the region.
To think the international press haven't even been allowed access to the killing fields.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1739716168296890792

[Zevo]

But they have been. The link to some of the atrocities committed during the slaughter and the 'killing fields' is 3 posts up.

[Manhattanboy]

Here is the full story. Shocking violence against women and girls.

In harrowing detail, NYT reports on weaponization of rape, sexual violence on Oct. 7

In a comprehensive, horrifying exposé published on Thursday, The New York Times detailed the systematic sexual violence against Israeli women and girls employed by Palestinian terrorists during Hamas’s unprecedented October 7 rampage through southern Israel.

The two-month investigation includes interviews with more than 150 witnesses, medical personnel, first responders, soldiers, rape counselors, and government officials, along with the scanning of video footage, photographs and GPS data from cell phones.

The piece begins with the description of a harrowing video that circulated widely in the days after Hamas’s monstrous assault on southern Israel that Saturday morning. The footage, filmed in the early hours of October 8, shows the partially charred remains of a woman whose face is burned beyond recognition, and who is naked from the waist down, legs spread, her black dress hiked up. Her body is lying beside a car that was set alight on Route 232, which runs parallel to the Gaza Strip, where many people trying to flee the outdoor Supernova festival near Kibbutz Re’im were massacred by Hamas terrorists. Some 360 of the 1,200 people slaughtered that day were from the rave.

The woman in the video was later identified as Gal Abdush, a 34-year-old mother of two from central Israel, who attended the Supernova festival with her husband, Nagi Abdush, 36. Police say they believe Abdush was raped before she was murdered and her body set alight. It took about a week to identify her, according to the report. Her husband’s body was found days later, and was so badly burned that authorities needed DNA testing to identify him.

The New York Times said it identified at least seven locations across southern Israel where women and girls were apparently sexually abused or mutilated. Those the paper interviewed described finding the bodies of more than 30 women in and around the Supernova rave site and in two nearby kibbutzim in a similar state as Abdush’s — “legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.”

Photographs viewed by The Times included ones of a woman in a besieged kibbutz who was found with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin. Footage viewed by the newspaper showed two dead Israeli soldiers at an overrun military base apparently shot directly in their vaginas.
A paramedic from a commando unit told the newspaper he had found the bodies of two teenage girls, sisters aged 13 and 16, in a room in Kibbutz Be’eri with their clothes ripped. One was lying on her side with “bruises by her groin,” and the other “was sprawled on the floor face down,” the paramedic said, “pajama pants pulled to her knees, bottom exposed, semen smeared on her back.”

Another medic, Jamal Waraki, a volunteer for the nonprofit ZAKA emergency response team, told The Times that he could not get an image out of his head of the body of a woman he found at the rave.

“Her hands were tied behind her back,” he said. “She was bent over, half naked, her underwear rolled down below her knees.”

Yinon Rivlin, a member of the rave’s production team who lost two brothers in the attack but managed to survive after hiding, told The New York Times that after he emerged from his hiding place, he made his way along Route 232 — where Abdush was found — and came upon the body of a young woman lying on her stomach, unclothed from the waist down, legs spread, and who appeared to have been sliced open in her vaginal area, “as if someone tore her apart.”

Similar scenes were discovered in at least six different houses in the Be’eri and Kfar Aza kibbutzim, where at least 24 bodies of women and girls were found either stripped, tied up with zip ties or mutilated — sometimes all three — according to eight volunteer medics and two Israeli soldiers who spoke to The Times.

One witness from the rave told the publication that roughly 100 terrorists congregated along the road where the festival took place, passing weapons and badly wounded women amongst one another.

The witness said she saw at least five women raped in front of her while she tried to hide.
Another witness, who agreed to be identified as Raz Cohen, told The Times that as he was hiding in a dried-up streambed near Route 232, he saw a white van pull up and men in civilian clothes jump out, dragging a woman out of the vehicle.

“They all gather around her… She’s standing up. They start raping her. I saw the men standing in a half circle around her. One penetrates her. She screams. I still remember her voice, screams without words.”

“Then one of them raises a knife,” he said, “and they just slaughtered her.”

Shoam Gueta, a friend of Cohen’s who was hiding with him, told the newspaper that he saw that the men were “talking, giggling and shouting,” and then one of them stabbed the victim repeatedly, “literally butchering her.”

At least 10 bodies of female soldiers from a Gaza observation post were found with signs of sexual violence, said a military dentist, identified as Captain Maayan, who works at the Shura military base in central Israel where the bodies were brought for identification.

The vast majority of the women raped were subsequently murdered, but at least three women and one man who were sexually abused survived, according to Welfare Ministry spokesman Gil Horev.

“None of them has been willing to come physically for treatment,” he said.

Two therapists treating a woman who was gang raped at the Supernova rave told The Times that she was in no condition to speak with reporters or investigators about what she endured.

The Times reported, as did The Times of Israel previously, that police are painstakingly putting together the extensive documentation of rape.

It also noted, as did The Times of Israel, how medical personnel and security forces were so focused on gathering the unprecedented number of dead for identification and burial that there was no orderly or systematic gathering of rape and sexual assault evidence.

In Judaism, people are buried as soon as possible and funerals are held quickly to start the shiva mourning period. “The result was that many bodies with signs of sexual abuse were put to rest without medical examinations, meaning that potential evidence now lies buried in the ground,” the report said.

Mirit Ben Mayor, a police chief superintendent, told The New York Times she believed the brutal atrocities committed by Palestinian terrorists against Israeli women and girls on October 7 marked a combination of “the hatred for Jews and the hatred for women.”

[Bagor]

No Zevo.
The international media has been refused access to the slaughter ground.that is Gaza.
The Palestinian media? They get slaughtered with the rest.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Here is the full story. Shocking

That is indeed shocking, repulsive and disgusting.

I'm curious as to your motive for posting it though. Does it, in your mind help justify the slaughter of over 20k civilians including 10k infants and children. Basically infanticide on a large scale? The displacement of over 2m people?

Are you as equally shocked by that? By the countless images of dead children?

We all are in agreement that Oct 7th was vile and evil. But, serious question are you using the events to justify Genocide?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Are you as equally shocked by that? By the countless images of dead children?

I’m not sure why you’d even ask when we know the answer is definitively “no.” October 7 was horrific, but the same people who want to pour over the horrific details (the rollout of which borders on terror porn) of that day again and again are the same people who will “but” away the significantly worse horror Israel is in the process of enacting on women and children.

At this point there’s almost no value in pointing out the hyperbole, they don’t care and won’t care.

[CliffFletcher]

Still waiting for the suggestions for how Hamas can be removed from power without invading and occupying Gaza.