PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I was going to write out a long winded response to Hockey illiterate, but why bother? The Libertarian, I am not poor so you shouldn't be either/if only you worked harder in life is one which ignores basic facts of their own advantages. Telling someone who doesn't have money to just not have children, ignores the realities that people do have children and to offer subpar services to children merely makes a new generation of the poor and disenfranchised. The ironic part of that is if someone does get pregnant, his mindset doesn't believe in offering abortions, which presumably wouldn't be basic health care.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

I hate to dogpile, but this post exemplifies the very typical flawed Republican mindset when it comes to social services like welfare/healthcare/etc, and how supposedly attainable the American dream is if you just "work hard" because they did it.

They made it, but they refuse to acknowledge just how privileged they were to be gifted the basic infrastructure of proper role models, stable household, steady food source & shelter, car to borrow, family to look after their kids while they work/school...etc. When you take away most that, its a tremendously huge hole to dig yourself out of without some assistance. Nobody accrues assets if you're living hand to mouth just to survive. This is the reality of being poor.

The "American Dream" is not attainable to only those who have proper role models, or who come from a stable household, or so on. Does having that type of background help? Sure. But it isn't required.

There are many ways to achieve the "American Dream," in whatever way one wants to define it.

For example, you don't have a steady food source and shelter? Join the military--you'll get housing and food, plus a paycheck, plus some job education, plus some work experience, plus the opportunity to avail yourself of the G.I. Bill, plus a whole host of other things.

But it does no one any good to claim that the listed items are prerequisites to become successful. Doing so simply provides a ready-made excuse to those who choose not to diligently apply themselves, and minimizes the efforts made by those who have.

[ResAlien]

Ayn Rand just popped a boner so hard it struck oil below her casket.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

And spare me the whole "if you have kids" thing, because that one is the most easily avoidable problem of them all, especially if you (i) aren't married; (ii) aren't well-educated; and/or (iii) don't have the money to support yourself.

Huh. Well, what if you have kids? The decision has already been made. Or not. Either way, the child/children exist. They live.

If I'm poor and have children, should I kill them? It would save a lot of money. I could even get a marketable degree if I didn't have to feed these little jerks.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

For example, you don't have a steady food source and shelter? Join the military.

Hm. The poor as society's cannon fodder... Well, it's a brazen suggestion, I'll give you points for the sheer audacity of it.

[photon]

Or maybe prison. Commit white collar crime, either you'll have the stolen money, or you'll go to prison, get fed, and not have to die overseas.

[troutman]

Donald Trump's businesses owe $1.8bn to more than 150 different institutions

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7512586.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-de...cts-1483637414

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Huh. Well, what if you have kids? The decision has already been made. Or not. Either way, the child/children exist. They live.

If I'm poor and have children, should I kill them?

I wouldn't recommend it.

You should raise them, using your own money to do so, and teach them not to make the same mistake(s) that you made.

And if you can't afford to raise them, then you should give serious consideration to either letting another family member raise them (whether through informal or formal adoption) or outright adoption by a third party.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

I wouldn't recommend it.

You should raise them, using your own money to do so, and teach them not to make the same mistake(s) that you made.

And if you can't afford to raise them, then you should give serious consideration to either letting another family member raise them (whether through informal or formal adoption) or outright adoption by a third party.

Yeah, just go check out the waiting lines around the building at adoption agencies.

[burn_this_city]

Bootstrap yourselves people, nevermind that you weren't born with boots or your folks could only afford sandals.

[Roast Beef]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Donald Trump is the father of all of Ivanka's children. You know it. I know it. She knows it. He knows it. The internet knows it. I demand a DNA test be released conclusively proving Donald is not the father, otherwise I'll call bull#### because it's obviously the truth. And not just some Maury BS. I want the full long form DNA test. I want to see all his helixes and protein chains, his recessive alleles, and I need it on a 6-ft tall 3D printed model.

#birtherjr

Well, he hasn't denied it. And people are asking questions, very smart people are asking questions. I'm not saying it's true, I'm not saying I even believe it, but smart people are asking questions ya know?

[FireGilbert]

Wow I just caught up on this thread and WTF is going on? The poor would stop bring poor if they only joined the military and gave their kids up for adoption? WTF???

[Flash Walken]

Like Adam Smith's "invisible hand", something that was once a joke saying is now used seriously.

Boot strapping:

The term appears to have originated in the early 19th century United States (particularly in the phrase "pull oneself over a fence by one's bootstraps"), to mean an absurdly impossible action, an adynaton.

Just do the impossible and you too can live the American dream.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

I wouldn't recommend it.

You should raise them, using your own money to do so, and teach them not to make the same mistake(s) that you made.

And if you can't afford to raise them, then you should give serious consideration to either letting another family member raise them (whether through informal or formal adoption) or outright adoption by a third party.

http://playspent.org/

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

I wouldn't recommend it.

You should raise them, using your own money to do so, and teach them not to make the same mistake(s) that you made.

And if you can't afford to raise them, then you should give serious consideration to either letting another family member raise them (whether through informal or formal adoption) or outright adoption by a third party.

Wow, you're just not a good person. Teach your children that they are the biggest mistakes of your life... and that they are a paycheque away from being tossed aside like a salad* that was forgotten in back of the fridge.

Also if you are talking about economically stable households, something tells me that adoption isn't the greatest option, having seen children in the foster care system.

*If they know what a salad is.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roast Beef

Well, he hasn't denied it. And people are asking questions, very smart people are asking questions. I'm not saying it's true, I'm not saying I even believe it, but smart people are asking questions ya know?

Maybe the father is some 400 lb guy in his basement. All I know is, it's not Jared Kushner.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

For example, you don't have a steady food source and shelter? Join the military--you'll get housing and food, plus a paycheck, plus some job education, plus some work experience, plus the opportunity to avail yourself of the G.I. Bill, plus a whole host of other things.

Yeah awesome plan until you get sent to some bull#### war and come back so ####ed from PTSD that no one in their right mind will hire you, that's if you don't end up in jail or blow your own brains out first. Great plan that joining the army. Just ask the millions of homeless vets how awesome it is.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah awesome plan until you get sent to some bull#### war and come back so ####ed from PTSD that no one in their right mind will hire you, that's if you don't end up in jail or blow your own brains out first. Great plan that joining the army. Just ask the millions of homeless vets how awesome it is.

Case in point:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=159324

[troutman]

https://medium.com/echelon-indicator...618#.cktve92fw

[jammies]

Originally Posted by troutman

nm

Tell me you were going to post a link to "Kill the Poor" by the Dead Kennedys.

-edit- A graph? Have you been hacked?