And he blew a pick in trading for Pitlick. Again, your +pick model is flawed because he gets mid-round picks and burns equal to better ones. Worse, he allows players that could recoup those high value picks (1sts and 2nds) to walk for nothing.
I took you through it ... added 2nd, added 3rd, subtracted 4ths primarily and is up in assets.
Not me, I will always be optimistic. So what if Tre doesn't overpay for some UFA's. So what if Tre doesn't make a bad trade to change the core. I think this is a good roster as is, there are a few holes that have to be addressed like a top 4 D and a backup goalie but I think this roster can compete with a full season under Darryl. I will always cheer for the positive outcome, I would rather do that then be bitter and down all the time about something that is supposed to be entertainment.
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So... further to my essay a couple days ago re Treliving and Sutter-vision... what do you think of this hypothesis?
I postulate that Treliving is only the GM of the Flames now in terms of title and some functionality. What we have here now is an NFL situation where the HC is calling the shots and the GM just executes the administrative functions to make the "thing" happen. It is all Sutter-type players coming in - he is clearly building a big, mean, hard-checking team. Personally, I said in the previous post that the Flames should follow the Sutter vision, so I am happy to that extent. I do still question the bleeding of picks and I just wonder if the contracts will work. I hope we don't see Zadorov get a 4x5.
We still desperately need a PP QB. If you are going to win 2-1 and 3-2, you need that PP to produce. I also wonder what happens with all the midgets - is a Sutter team going to accomodate all of Mangiapane, Gaudreau, Dube? I expect one, at least, to be traded.
Anyhow, interesting - for the first time since Hartley, we are getting an identity, and am a neanderthal, so I am all for the "beat the crap out of them" theme... Just stop trading picks.
So... further to my essay a couple days ago re Treliving and Sutter-vision... what do you think of this hypothesis?
I postulate that Treliving is only the GM of the Flames now in terms of title and some functionality. What we have here now is an NFL situation where the HC is calling the shots and the GM just executes the administrative functions to make the "thing" happen. It is all Sutter-type players coming in - he is clearly building a big, mean, hard-checking team. Personally, I said in the previous post that the Flames should follow the Sutter vision, so I am happy to that extent. I do still question the bleeding of picks and I just wonder if the contracts will work. I hope we don't see Zadorov get a 4x5.
We still desperately need a PP QB. If you are going to win 2-1 and 3-2, you need that PP to produce. I also wonder what happens with all the midgets - is a Sutter team going to accomodate all of Mangiapane, Gaudreau, Dube? I expect one, at least, to be traded.
Anyhow, interesting - for the first time since Hartley, we are getting an identity, and am a neanderthal, so I am all for the "beat the crap out of them" theme... Just stop trading picks.
It’s Sutter’s team for sure
Wonder where Sutter is going to get his Kopitar and Doughty
Without them, he can grind all he wants and still get nothing
Wonder where Sutter is going to get his Kopitar and Doughty
Without them, he can grind all he wants and still get nothing
I do think they are trying hard for Eichel (which is dubious to me) or they will try to build a Kopitar out of a Monahan/Lindholm golem . Doughty they need, or at least a high-offense guy to run the PP. Sorry to say this - but I would have gone De Angelo - cheap, free - and hoped Sutter could tune him up...
I don't have a strong opinion about the off-season moves individually, but taking a step back....it's the a veritable greatest hits of questionable Flames moves from the past:
trading mid-round picks for meh players/goalies and UFA rights
bringing in an unproven backup
pivoting to BIG in the draft, signings, and trades
bringing in multiple zero offence players
signing a late 20s FA RW with middling stats on a championship team to a long contract
trading down in the draft
filling the bottom of the roster with unremarkable journeymen (won't somebody think about the kids?)
drafting a high skill New York kid who is committed to Harvard
Sticking with the same core that hasn't got it done
Getting little of value (nothing actually) for an aging former star player
These moves may turn out well, they may turn out poorly, or more likely it will be a mixed back like any other collection of off-season moves. I just find it funny - and not a little un-nerving - that each and every one of these types of transactions has been vilified on this board, supported by painful to remember examples. This is the Flamiest off-season I can recall.
Yep older UFA’s and trading mid round picks for bottom roster players is the M.O. we have seen. I really thought this off season would be different but not yet.
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Criticize the lack of lateral trades, and commitment to change all you like. But giving BT flack for losing a player in the expansion draft is just silly.
Yep older UFA’s and trading mid round picks for bottom roster players is the M.O. we have seen. I really thought this off season would be different but not yet.
Criticize the lack of lateral trades, and commitment to change all you like. But giving BT flack for losing a player in the expansion draft is just silly.
Like I said back then, losing Giordano is fine. But he has to find a replacement. That and fill the massive gaping hole for offense (preferably an RW).
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Criticize the lack of lateral trades, and commitment to change all you like. But giving BT flack for losing a player in the expansion draft is just silly.
We might be hanging on to certain core players too long and not getting a prime return. Sometimes you need to trade value to add the quality piece you need. Letting Monahan play through injuries season after season just diminished his value over time.
Criticize the lack of lateral trades, and commitment to change all you like. But giving BT flack for losing a player in the expansion draft is just silly.
Sure, every team had to lose something in the expansion draft. But some teams managed to position themselves to lose very little, and BT positioned himself to lose the most valuable player lost by anyone. That's why he's taking flack, and deservedly so.
There are two ways to look at it ... and both are correct.
He went by draft and went back further, a fair way to do it.
My point is that he's stopped bleeding picks and I went by calendar and looked at the last three years.
So no ... perfectly correct.
Lots to bitch about, no point in using fantasy.
The problem is that BT dug a deep hole. Then he filled part of the hole back in. But now he has started digging again. Sure, within the recent past the hole was deeper than it is now, but he's still in a hole. And there isn't really any indication he's learned a lesson about digging deeper, since he's back digging again in the last few days.
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I have to say I am not overly pleased with the offseason. As soon as Lucic vs. Neal ended we have shifted to the new Coleman vs Hyman debate.
I think of Coleman as more of a Frolik/Ryan type signing as opposed to Brouwer/Neal. With Frolik and Ryan they provided very acceptable value to their deals for the first chunk of their contracts but by the end of those deals they were very expendable players who brought minimal value. I think for 3-4 years Coleman is going to be very solid but the back half are likely not the best years. His development curve also lead me to believe he could have his beat years between 30-32.
All the talk about Calgary not being a UFA destination they landed 2 of the top 5 guys in the last 2 seasons.
I really like the Zadorov pickup and the price. This was a key piece in the RoR trade to the Sabres and the Saad trade to the Hawks and was acquired for a 3rd. I think there is a lot of potential there that I hope Darry can harness. I think this was a solid signing and would be okay if he and Valimaki battled for the second pair left D spot.
Lewis and Pitlick are the meh type acquisitions I suspected.
I just really want more than a big UFA overpay and want the transformational trade. If I don’t see that I am ready to move on
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There's really no other way out of this mess. They either trade for Eichel or rebuild, and I'm thinking the organization is just too asset poor to field a contender even after that trade. If they do, it will be a short lived window.
In reality, he's competing with many other teams for the same players. It's unlikely we make a blockbuster trade like that on the best of days.
Instead, the only alternative for a GM on his last life is to tread water and fill holes with paper mache instead of cement.
The problem is that BT dug a deep hole. Then he filled part of the hole back in. But now he has started digging again. Sure, within the recent past the hole was deeper than it is now, but he's still in a hole. And there isn't really any indication he's learned a lesson about digging deeper, since he's back digging again in the last few days.
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Doughty they need, or at least a high-offense guy to run the PP. Sorry to say this - but I would have gone De Angelo - cheap, free - and hoped Sutter could tune him up...
