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442scotty · 10-15-2021, 12:03 PM

And if the Flames get Eichel and it’s reasonable and works out I’ll go hide in the corner

1qqaaz · 10-15-2021, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

If one listened to Conroys morning hit on the Fan with Rhett and Boomer. They're very much in on Eichel. No reading between the lines there.

Looks like it's been posted on the Sportsnet website.

Sofa GM · 10-15-2021, 12:05 PM

I'm all for getting Eichel since I believe he is a top tier center in the league, but our blueline is abysmal. We will not have any cap to allocate to our defense in the coming years. Not sure our defense as it stands now, barring significant improvement from Andersson, Kylington, Valimaki (if he doesn't go in the trade), is good enough to get it done.

djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

If one listened to Conroys morning hit on the Fan with Rhett and Boomer. They're very much in on Eichel. No reading between the lines there.

What time was it approximately? Want to check it out on the fan archives.

Psytic · 10-15-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I'm all for getting Eichel since I believe he is a top tier center in the league, but our blueline is abysmal. We will not have any cap to allocate to our defense in the coming years. Not sure our defense as it stands now, barring significant improvement from Andersson, Kylington, Valimaki (if he doesn't go in the trade), is good enough to get it done.

Sign Gio back next year and get a good run in With Eichel fully healthy and Johnny and Chucky still here. Hopefully.

dammage79 · 10-15-2021, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

What time was it approximately? Want to check it out on the fan archives.

It's on the website . No need to hunt a timestamp.

djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 12:14 PM

Gio coming back cheap on a short contract would be found money for next years run (hopefully with eichel)

Scroopy Noopers · 10-15-2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

What time was it approximately? Want to check it out on the fan archives.

10:33 of this link

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Looks like it's been posted on the Sportsnet website.

Canada 02 · 10-15-2021, 12:16 PM

No sugar coating. Conroy did not like how Sutter managed the prospects during camp

timbit · 10-15-2021, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada 02

No sugar coating. Conroy did not like how Sutter managed the prospects during camp

Little bit of embellishment, or at least not full context, in your comment. Conroy also stated that Sutter, understandably, was trying to make sure the team was ready to start the season.

TheoFleury · 10-15-2021, 12:27 PM

I don't understand the reluctance in including zary and Pelletier. The odds are against them becoming top 6 much less elite top line. They are magic beans. Same with Valimaki. Odds are they will have short, pedestrian careers... not trying to be negative but like 200 guys get drafted every year into a league that employs around 700. It's pretty much just math. Eichel IS elite right now. What's the worst that happens? Pelletier and Zary turn into impact players? There's probably a 5-10% chance at that.

Monahan
Zary
Pelletier
Valimaki
Unconditional 2023 1st

That's fair imo

Monahan isn't nearly as good as Eichel and I'm a huge Monahan guy. Basically I'd rather have eichel-Lindholm-backlund as the top 3 Cs. Lindholm and Backlund are more well rounded players and slot better in 2C/3C than Monahan does

Valimaki hasn't really impressed me at all. I think the injuries really set him back and the flames were probably overrating him before that anyway. I see 4/5 as his ceiling, maybe 2nd line pp qb for a weaker team.

Zary and Pelletier are good prospects for sure but not blue chippers. Look at the history of flames in the 1st round last 20 years. Yeah, excuse me if I don't pencil them in for stardom. The odds are crazy stacked against them. If everything went perfectly right you are probably looking at konecny or Fiala level players. That's if all the stars align. More likely we are looking at a couple of 3rd liners and honestly given the percentages, wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Most flames 1sts end up being nothing at all

Eichel's eichel though. If you can add a true 1c for beans, you gotta try, and don't get caught up trying to squeeze 5% more value. I feel like Brad probably plays it too safe or maybe is too coy or maybe he just plain overrates his prospects because what we have are basically a couple 6's in a sea of 3's. Not sure what it is but it's time for treliving to seize the day. His job depends on it because as is, this team is just gonna get him fired. He's made 2 great trades in 7 years. He destroyed Carolina basically. Now thats hard to do, but he has proven he can do it. This is like Hamilton x5 though. Legacy defining ####. I'd be so excited if I was him

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1qqaaz · 10-15-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't understand the reluctance in including zary and Pelletier. The odds are against them becoming top 6 much less elite top line. They are magic beans. Same with Valimaki. Odds are they will have short, pedestrian careers... not trying to be negative but like 200 guys get drafted every year into a league that employs around 700. It's pretty much just math. Eichel IS elite right now. What's the worst that happens? Pelletier and Zary turn into impact players? There's probably a 5-10% chance at that.

Monahan
Zary
Pelletier
Valimaki
Unconditional 2023 1st

That's fair imo

Monahan isn't nearly as good as Eichel and I'm a huge Monahan guy. Basically I'd rather have eichel-Lindholm-backlund as the top 3 Cs. Lindholm and Backlund are more well rounded players and slot better in 2C/3C than Monahan does

Valimaki hasn't really impressed me at all. I think the injuries really set him back and the flames were probably overrating him before that anyway. I see 4/5 as his ceiling, maybe 2nd line pp qb for a weaker team.

Zary and Pelletier are good prospects for sure but not blue chippers. Look at the history of flames in the 1st round last 20 years. Yeah, excuse me if I don't pencil them in for stardom. The odds are crazy stacked against them. If everything went perfectly right you are probably looking at konecny or Fiala level players. That's if all the stars align. More likely we are looking at a couple of 3rd liners and honestly given the percentages, wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Most flames 1sts end up being nothing at all

Eichel's eichel though. If you can add a true 1c for beans, you gotta try, and don't get caught up trying to squeeze 5% more value. I feel like Brad probably plays it too safe or maybe is too coy or maybe he just plain overrates his prospects because what we have are basically a couple 6's in a sea of 3's. Not sure what it is but it's time for treliving to seize the day. His job depends on it because as is, this team is just gonna get him fired. He's made 2 great trades in 7 years. He destroyed Carolina basically. Now thats hard to do, but he has proven he can do it. This is like Hamilton x5 though. Legacy defining ####. I'd be so excited if I was him

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I agree with most of this, but I would rather the pick be in 2022 and not 2023.
Especially if it's unconditional.

But yes, I think Coronato is a tier above Pelletier, Zary and Valimaki in terms of value.

It would hurt to trade all of them, but at least Coronato and Wolf would still be in the system. And Eichel himself is still fairly young. So is the defense in general.

TheoFleury · 10-15-2021, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I agree with most of this, but I would rather the pick be in 2022 and not 2023.

Especially if it's unconditional.

But yes, I think Coronato is a tier above Pelletier, Zary and Valimaki in terms of value.

It would hurt to trade all of them, but at least Coronato and Wolf would still be in the system. And Eichel himself is still fairly young. So is the defense in general.

See I'd rather push the 1st to 2023 and hope we are better next season with eichel all year and continued development from mangiapane, dube and our young D. I'm worried the flames will struggle waiting for eichel and could miss. It would be horrible to trade Shane Wright by accident. That's why I said Unconditional 1st in 2023. Need to entice them to stay away from 2022

Coronato really excites me. Imagine a right handed RW who is a natural goal scorer... I worry about the university bs but honestly I think there is a good chance he becomes similar to boeser. That would be huge

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Sofa GM · 10-15-2021, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I don't understand the reluctance in including zary and Pelletier. The odds are against them becoming top 6 much less elite top line. They are magic beans. Same with Valimaki. Odds are they will have short, pedestrian careers... not trying to be negative but like 200 guys get drafted every year into a league that employs around 700. It's pretty much just math. Eichel IS elite right now. What's the worst that happens? Pelletier and Zary turn into impact players? There's probably a 5-10% chance at that.

Monahan
Zary
Pelletier
Valimaki
Unconditional 2023 1st

That's fair imo

Monahan isn't nearly as good as Eichel and I'm a huge Monahan guy. Basically I'd rather have eichel-Lindholm-backlund as the top 3 Cs. Lindholm and Backlund are more well rounded players and slot better in 2C/3C than Monahan does

Valimaki hasn't really impressed me at all. I think the injuries really set him back and the flames were probably overrating him before that anyway. I see 4/5 as his ceiling, maybe 2nd line pp qb for a weaker team.

Zary and Pelletier are good prospects for sure but not blue chippers. Look at the history of flames in the 1st round last 20 years. Yeah, excuse me if I don't pencil them in for stardom. The odds are crazy stacked against them. If everything went perfectly right you are probably looking at konecny or Fiala level players. That's if all the stars align. More likely we are looking at a couple of 3rd liners and honestly given the percentages, wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Most flames 1sts end up being nothing at all

Eichel's eichel though. If you can add a true 1c for beans, you gotta try, and don't get caught up trying to squeeze 5% more value. I feel like Brad probably plays it too safe or maybe is too coy or maybe he just plain overrates his prospects because what we have are basically a couple 6's in a sea of 3's. Not sure what it is but it's time for treliving to seize the day. His job depends on it because as is, this team is just gonna get him fired. He's made 2 great trades in 7 years. He destroyed Carolina basically. Now thats hard to do, but he has proven he can do it. This is like Hamilton x5 though. Legacy defining ####. I'd be so excited if I was him

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That's the equivalent of 5 first round picks, I think it is too much in my opinion.

TheoFleury · 10-15-2021, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa GM

That's the equivalent of 5 first round picks, I think it is too much in my opinion.

I don't think you could trade Pelletier for a 1st at this point. Maybe not even valimaki

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djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 12:37 PM

Haha

"So Connie, how about Eichel, is he a player the Flames could use?"

"Well there's just so many parts to it, the injury, the surgery, but Brad's definitely- I mean uh, whether it's him or other people"

Oh yeah Connie, Brad is definitely? Do tell.

TheoFleury · 10-15-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Haha

"So Connie, how about Eichel, is he a player the Flames could use?"

"Well there's just so many parts to it, the injury, the surgery, but Brad's definitely- I mean uh, whether it's him or other people"

Oh yeah Connie, Brad is definitely? Do tell.

I love Conroy so much. Such a beauty. Probably an awful poker player but he's just so genuine. Hope we can keep him around for a long time

Toonage · 10-15-2021, 12:40 PM

Conroy:

"Brad is always involved...not easy to make a deal with someone like that...we like our centre position...looking at the players we have we think we'll be fine."

My take was he isn't holding his breath lol. Not that Connie can.

If you took this interview as Conroy tipping the Flames hand, you're hearing what you want to hear I'm afraid.

djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I love Conroy so much. Such a beauty

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He's basically the Tom Holland of the Flames organization.

Keeping his lips tighter than a shed door in a hurricane.

Bless his soul.

dammage79 · 10-15-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Conroy:

"Brad is always involved...not easy to make a deal with someone like that...we like our centre position...looking at the players we have we think we'll be fine."

My take was he isn't holding his breath lol. Not that Connie can.

If you took this interview as Conroy tipping the Flames hand, you're hearing what you want to hear I'm afraid.

No, I'm not hearing what I want to hear because what I want to hear is they are not in on Eichel and have moved on.