2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Capfriendly is showing Bratt as signing a one-year deal worth $5.45M with Jersey. Trade target?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Capfriendly is showing Bratt as signing a one-year deal worth $5.45M with Jersey. Trade target?

I would trade for him, but the cost would be high.

I think that with Monahan currently on IR and his future very uncertain, the Flames might still sign Kadri or someone similar, along with one other player, using LTIR cap relief from Monahan's contract and keeping Monahan on the LTI list for the duration of the season (can't take him off if they don't have the cap space) and possibly activating him for the playoffs if he's feeling up to it and is fit enough to contribute as a 4C/PP specialist. If that is the case, the team will spend their remaining cap and the full amount of Monahan's LTIR on free agent signings to get right up to the cap including full LTIR relief from Monahan's cap hit right when the season starts. Then, at the trade deadline, they might trade the last few months of Lucic (with a sweetener) for someone on an expiring contract of similar value who has more offensive potential. He would have to agree to waive his NMC, of course, so maybe give him a choice of where he wants to go among the sellers at the TDL.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I think that with Monahan currently on IR and his future very uncertain, the Flames might still sign Kadri or someone similar, along with one other player, using LTIR cap relief from Monahan's contract and keeping Monahan on the LTI list for the duration of the season (can't take him off if they don't have the cap space) and possibly activating him for the playoffs if he's feeling up to it

Once (if) he's cleared they have to make space. Just can't sit him if they're over the cap.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

IIRC Monahan's numbers actually reflected that he did OK on possession except with a couple of particular wingers. He had positive numbers except in the Pitlick/Dube, Lucic/Toffoli and Lewis Richardson combos. And I don't think Sutter gave him good wingers at all - it was mostly a diet of Lewis, Pitlick, Ritchie, Lucic and Richardson especially to start. I thought that when Toffoli came, they looked OK with Dube, despite the fact Monahan was clearly hurt, and he had fantastic numbers with Mangiapane/Dube.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/...s/sean-monahan

I see where you're coming from. Yes, Monahan has better underlying numbers than I expected. However I have a hard time simply blaming his wingers. I thought that Lucic - Ruzicka - Lewis was a great line that outscored the opposition 5-2 in 95 mins; meanwhile, Lucic - Monahan - Lewis got outscored 2-7 in 118 mins.

After looking at the numbers it does seem as though Monahan had success when playing with Gaudreau - Tkachuk, and Dube - Mangiapane though with a very small sample size.

I still have a very difficult time in seeing Monahan as a 20 goal scorer next season. If Sutter used him this way in the previous season, why would he change Monahan's role now?

[HighLifeMan]

I personally disagree with the general opinion of Monahan around here, but I am also one of the guy's biggest supporters. I think he deserves a legit look in a top six role as the roster sits now (whether that be at center or wing is another question).

Monahan is one of the better player's in the league at winning puck battles - I don't have the stats for last year, but just the season prior he ranked top five in puck battle win % among all NHL forwards (over 500 minutes). He may not physically manhandle the opposition but his positioning and stick work are phenomenal and always have been. It's the reason why he consistently has a positive giveaway/takeaway differential.

Secondly - Monahan absolutely did not get the chance to play with good wingers last year. His most common even strength linemates by a longshot were Lucic (45%), Dube (40%), and Lewis (29%). The fourth most common linemate for him was Mangiapane (15.5%) and the results in those minutes were fantastic for the Flames (CF - 60.6%, SF% - 61.9%, SCF% - 60%, GF% - 61.54%). Both Lucic and Dube also saw a drop off in their analytics away from Monahan. It is also interesting to note that at the time of his demotion from the top PP unit last season he was neck and neck with Tkachuk for the team lead in terms of PP production.

His underlaying numbers suggest that he was incredibly unlucky player last season. His midrange goals for/against was a (-8) at even strength despite having a positive shot differential from that area of the ice. Another interesting tidbit I noticed is that Sean Monahan was scored on 16 times from 101 (15.8%) high danger looks against while he was one the ice, while a player like Mangiapane for example only got scored on 16 times despite giving up 163 high danger corsi events (9.8%). Everything that could have gone wrong last year for him individually, did. Hell, just look at Jarnkrok's production drop after being acquired.. and he was playing with considerably better linemates. It's not easy to produce in a bottom six capacity in a Darryl Sutter system.

I really think Monahan's season was blown out of proportion due to a mix of playing catchup to start the year, having consistently poor linemates, and having by far his lowest on ice shooting percentage of his career.

Play him on the right side alongside Huberdeau and Lindholm and I bet you see a career resurgence. I don't really see a better fit for those two if he's healthy.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I personally disagree with the general opinion of Monahan around here, but I am also one of the guy's biggest supporters. I think he deserves a legit look in a top six role as the roster sits now (whether that be at center or wing is another question).

Monahan is one of the better player's in the league at winning puck battles - I don't have the stats for last year, but just the season prior he ranked top five in puck battle win % among all NHL forwards (over 500 minutes). He may not physically manhandle the opposition but his positioning and stick work are phenomenal and always have been. It's the reason why he consistently has a positive giveaway/takeaway differential.

Secondly - Monahan absolutely did not get the chance to play with good wingers last year. His most common even strength linemates by a longshot were Lucic (45%), Dube (40%), and Lewis (29%). The fourth most common linemate for him was Mangiapane (15.5%) and the results in those minutes were fantastic for the Flames (CF - 60.6%, SF% - 61.9%, SCF% - 60%, GF% - 61.54%). Both Lucic and Dube also saw a drop off in their analytics away from Monahan. It is also interesting to note that at the time of his demotion from the top PP unit last season he was neck and neck with Tkachuk for the team lead in terms of PP production.

His underlaying numbers suggest that he was incredibly unlucky player last season. His midrange goals for/against was a (-8) at even strength despite having a positive shot differential from that area of the ice. Another interesting tidbit I noticed is that Sean Monahan was scored on 16 times from 101 (15.8%) high danger looks against while he was one the ice, while a player like Mangiapane for example only got scored on 16 times despite giving up 163 high danger corsi events (9.8%). Everything that could have gone wrong last year for him individually, did. Hell, just look at Jarnkrok's production drop after being acquired.. and he was playing with considerably better linemates. It's not easy to produce in a bottom six capacity in a Darryl Sutter system.

I really think Monahan's season was blown out of proportion due to a mix of playing catchup to start the year, having consistently poor linemates, and having by far his lowest on ice shooting percentage of his career.

Play him on the right side alongside Huberdeau and Lindholm and I bet you see a career resurgence. I don't really see a better fit for those two if he's healthy.

I hope you're right and that it was just an unlucky year, or two years... I just have a very hard time believing it because it didn't match my eye test. As for the PP it looked a lot more dangerous, and less static with Toffoli on it, in my opinion.

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As an aside could a trade of Hanifin for Timo Meier($6M x 1 yr, $10M qualifying offer) be a win win for both the Flames and the Sharks?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I hope you're right and that it was just an unlucky year, or two years... I just have a very hard time believing it because it didn't match my eye test. As for the PP it looked a lot more dangerous, and less static with Toffoli on it, in my opinion.

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As an aside could a trade of Hanifin for Timo Meier($6M x 1 yr, $10M qualifying offer) be a win win for both the Flames and the Sharks?

I think that one year of Meier (like the player) would be terrible value for Hanifin.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I think that one year of Meier (like the player) would be terrible value for Hanifin.

Meier is an RFA, so you’re getting at least 2 years, for Hanifin’s 2 years. However one of the years will be expansive.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Meier is an RFA, so you’re getting at least 2 years, for Hanifin’s 2 years. However one of the years will be expansive.

I assumed that the Flames would have no interest paying Meier more than $10 million...

[Flames1217]

Yeah Meier set up his contract to hit FA as quick as possible.

No one is trading for that.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Monahan is going to be one of the most interesting storylines for Calgary this year.



Gaudreau was a damn special player. I think he was in large measure the 'engine' of this team. However, Monahan had many elite-level attributes about him.



First and foremost, I hope that he is 100% healthy and pain-free (and stays that way all season). As for my expectations - I have none. I have absolutely no expectations of Monahan either way, and maybe that's why I am excited to see him. I have no idea if he will return as '13th forward Sean Monahan' or 'first-line centre Moneyhands'. Of course, my bet is somewhere in the middle.


However, it would not surprise me in the slightest to see him fade away from the NHL this season, nor would it surprise me to see him hit 30+ goals again. If he is healthy (and has overcome his injuries), then there is no reason why he won't be able to find those soft areas again and get that wicked shot off, and score some timely goals. Nothing will surprise me really - my expectations are wide open, but I also do remember how elite Monahan was at many things, and it wasn't just Gaudreau setting him up for easy tap-ins.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I personally disagree with the general opinion of Monahan around here, but I am also one of the guy's biggest supporters. I think he deserves a legit look in a top six role as the roster sits now (whether that be at center or wing is another question).

Monahan is one of the better player's in the league at winning puck battles - I don't have the stats for last year, but just the season prior he ranked top five in puck battle win % among all NHL forwards (over 500 minutes). He may not physically manhandle the opposition but his positioning and stick work are phenomenal and always have been. It's the reason why he consistently has a positive giveaway/takeaway differential.

Secondly - Monahan absolutely did not get the chance to play with good wingers last year. His most common even strength linemates by a longshot were Lucic (45%), Dube (40%), and Lewis (29%). The fourth most common linemate for him was Mangiapane (15.5%) and the results in those minutes were fantastic for the Flames (CF - 60.6%, SF% - 61.9%, SCF% - 60%, GF% - 61.54%). Both Lucic and Dube also saw a drop off in their analytics away from Monahan. It is also interesting to note that at the time of his demotion from the top PP unit last season he was neck and neck with Tkachuk for the team lead in terms of PP production.

His underlaying numbers suggest that he was incredibly unlucky player last season. His midrange goals for/against was a (-8) at even strength despite having a positive shot differential from that area of the ice. Another interesting tidbit I noticed is that Sean Monahan was scored on 16 times from 101 (15.8%) high danger looks against while he was one the ice, while a player like Mangiapane for example only got scored on 16 times despite giving up 163 high danger corsi events (9.8%). Everything that could have gone wrong last year for him individually, did. Hell, just look at Jarnkrok's production drop after being acquired.. and he was playing with considerably better linemates. It's not easy to produce in a bottom six capacity in a Darryl Sutter system.

I really think Monahan's season was blown out of proportion due to a mix of playing catchup to start the year, having consistently poor linemates, and having by far his lowest on ice shooting percentage of his career.

Play him on the right side alongside Huberdeau and Lindholm and I bet you see a career resurgence. I don't really see a better fit for those two if he's healthy.

Love your breakdown and overall I agree, although I have a hard time seeing Monahan as a winger. If you're playing anyone with Huby it should be Mange, maybe Toffoli if Mange isn't rolling...

[Always Earned Never Given]

For the past 2 years under Sutter it seemed to me that Monahan's skating was better, he was more physical but his shot was not what it used to be.

I remember when he used to just flick the puck without leaning or bearing down and the puck would just go.

Now knowing all the injuries he suffered, it explains to some degree why his shooting "style " was different.

Hopefully all these injuries will be behind him and flicking the puck becomes a thing again.

if so, it will be like the Flames added a top 6 forward without giving out any assets.

P.S. Someone has mentioned that Nichushkin had some similar issues, that he needed to re learn to skate and look at the player he was last year. Hopefully Monny tracks the same way.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

For the past 2 years under Sutter it seemed to me that Monahan's skating was better, he was more physical but his shot was not what it used to be.

I remember when he used to just flick the puck without leaning or bearing down and the puck would just go.

Now knowing all the injuries he suffered, it explains to some degree why his shooting "style " was different.

Hopefully all these injuries will be behind him and flicking the puck becomes a thing again.

if so, it will be like the Flames added a top 6 forward without giving out any assets.

P.S. Someone has mentioned that Nichushkin had some similar issues, that he needed to re learn to skate and look at the player he was last year. Hopefully Monny tracks the same way.

Nichuskin has always been a good skater. His skating, speed, size, shot, etc. have been his strengths at every level he's played at. His issues have more of a toolbox issue than the actual tools.

On the otherhand, Monahan has always had a good toolbox with not-so-optimal tools. Even when he was drafted, his calling card was great hockey sense and intangibles rather than skill and finesse.

With the amount of injuries he's had, there is no way that Monahan gets back to being a consistent 20 goal scorer. If he can get back physically to where he was at the first third of last season and straighten out some of the other parts of his game, he could salvage the rest his career as an effective bottom 6er. In a best-case scenario, I see the rest of Monahan's career playing out like the post-knee surgery back-half of Trevor Linden's career.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Yeah Meier set up his contract to hit FA as quick as possible.

No one is trading for that.

So did Matthew Tkachuk.

[Monahammer]

looks like NJ might not have a spot for Zetterlund in their top 9. I would be eager to take a crack on this one and I don't think the cost would be prohibitive.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Once (if) he's cleared they have to make space. Just can't sit him if they're over the cap.

Not true, according to the precedents already set by Las Vegas and Tampa Bay. If you don't have the cap space, the league will not force you to clear it, you just can't activate the previously injured player.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

looks like NJ might not have a spot for Zetterlund in their top 9. I would be eager to take a crack on this one and I don't think the cost would be prohibitive.

Is his play a cross between a Zetterberg and a Backlund?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Not true, according to the precedents already set by Las Vegas and Tampa Bay. If you don't have the cap space, the league will not force you to clear it, you just can't activate the previously injured player.

What precedent? They had to activate the player once they were cleared… I don’t remember the player getting cleared, and still being on LTIR.

[Vinny01]

I really like Konecny as a potential trade target but not sure how the swap would look. He apparently lives in Calgary or dating someone from Calgary so he likely would be down to stick around after his deal expires in 3 years. Flyers are 2.5M over the cap as of today but rumors Ellis is going to go LTIR

Konecny+Sanheim for Dube+Hanifin??