[News] Gavin McKenna facing charges for assault UPD: felony charge withdrawn

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Either he stays at Penn State or goes back to Medicine Hat.

It's really not gonna effect him aside from missing out on a good conditioning/strengthening program for a couple more months.

Other than that, unless he's sentenced to time (likely the least-likely outcome), it's not gonna effect his draft position at all.

Will it even be resolved by the draft? The wheels of justice can move pretty slow. And even if he doesn't do time, a conviction could still impact his ability to enter the U.S. in the future.

I don't know know how big of a risk it is, but would a GM risk a 1-3 OA on it? I bet some wouldn't.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Will it even be resolved by the draft? The wheels of justice can move pretty slow. And even if he doesn't do time, a conviction could still impact his ability to enter the U.S. in the future.

I don't know know how big of a risk it is, but would a GM risk a 1-3 OA on it? I bet some wouldn't.

GM's usually need to have a decent background in law, but even then, if they don't, either somebody else in the organization would/shoul.

You can bet all 32 teams (but even more specifically, the teams at the top of the draft) would due their legal due diligence before selecting him.

But even then, say he's sentenced to even a year or two (<0.00001% in my personal opinion), he's still gonna be drafted top 3 lol. Say he was sentence to 5 years (lols), he's still easily a 1st round pick off of pure talent and the following 10+ years of his career he'd provide from potential/hype/talk/marketing/etc.. alone (damn, imagine his physical maturation with a couple years of prison time lol).

And on another hand, is it impossible to foresee a future in which - if the McKenna sticking up for his mom story turns out to be true - McKenna is getting bonkers sponsorships from companies that lean on family/loyalty/character/etc.? I don't personally think so.

But then again, I'm just waiting for the full facts to come out before passing judgement

[FlamesNightmare]

Well, (no mean to offend) but I hope this affects other teams from drafting McKenna as their 1st. Giving The Flames an opportunity to snag him come draft lottery.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Also, Kane is a POS. Allegedly hits women.

That is Evander. Patrick Kane also hits elder cab driver.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Goriders

There are a lot of football players in the NCAA caught doing way worse things and they go on to careers in the sport.

Jalen Carter was charged with reckless driving less than two months before the 2023 NFL Draft, stemming from a crash several weeks earlier that left one of his Georgia teammates and a Georgia staff member dead. He still went 8th overall to the Eagles. What McKenna did isn't even remotely comparable which is why I don't think this ultimately will matter much for the draft process although if a team was on the fence, this may be fuel to take another player. I would have no issues if the Flames drafted him.

[indes]

One of those things that just sucks all around. Whether in the right or wrong I would have a hard time believe McKenna meant to do that much damage. Of course that's why you shouldn't get into bar fights in the first place, but just ####ty all round for everyone involved.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by indes

One of those things that just sucks all around. Whether in the right or wrong I would have a hard time believe McKenna meant to do that much damage. Of course that's why you shouldn't get into bar fights in the first place, but just ####ty all round for everyone involved.

Did no one read my post? It was not a bar fight. They were walking back with their families from an alumni event. Families were there for that outdoor game. Could he have used better decisions, turned his other cheek, probably.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

GM's usually need to have a decent background in law, but even then, if they don't, either somebody else in the organization would/shoul.

You can bet all 32 teams (but even more specifically, the teams at the top of the draft) would due their legal due diligence before selecting him.

But even then, say he's sentenced to even a year or two (<0.00001% in my personal opinion), he's still gonna be drafted top 3 lol. Say he was sentence to 5 years (lols), he's still easily a 1st round pick off of pure talent and the following 10+ years of his career he'd provide from potential/hype/talk/marketing/etc.. alone (damn, imagine his physical maturation with a couple years of prison time lol).

And on another hand, is it impossible to foresee a future in which - if the McKenna sticking up for his mom story turns out to be true - McKenna is getting bonkers sponsorships from companies that lean on family/loyalty/character/etc.? I don't personally think so.

But then again, I'm just waiting for the full facts to come out before passing judgement

Only two GMs hold law degrees, so I don’t think a background in law is common and definitely not one that covers criminal law and immigration law. But that is (one of the probably hundreds of reasons) why teams have actual lawyers.

I agree that the likelihood he’ll be sentenced is extremely small, but I think you’re totally underestimating how that would impact his draft position and his development.

Even one year is potentially catastrophic. No hockey, no skating, no opportunity to train sufficiently, plus a nasty criminal record that would make all sorts of things difficult. That alone could drop him out of the first round if not out of the entire draft if the criminal record is going to be an issue.

5 years pts him firmly in DND territory. Nobody is wasting a pick on a player, regardless of how good they might be at the time, who (best case scenario) doesn’t even join your organization or play hockey before your rights to him run out. There’s no way to retain his rights, so there is no point in drafting him when he’ll just be able to sign with whoever after the fact.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Did no one read my post? It was not a bar fight. They were walking back with their families from an alumni event. Families were there for that outdoor game. Could he have used better decisions, turned his other cheek, probably.

I read your post. Would read again!

[jaikorven]

And who's his team again.

[indes]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Did no one read my post? It was not a bar fight. They were walking back with their families from an alumni event. Families were there for that outdoor game. Could he have used better decisions, turned his other cheek, probably.

Doesn't really impact the point of my post at all but fine, not a bar fight, just a fight after leaving a bar.

[BigFlameDog]

I don't condone scrapping on the street but I did grow up in a town where it was, unfortunately, a regular occurrence. In my younger life I spent a bunch of time working in bars.

So I will say, if a dude was kicked out of the bar for harassing you and your Mom and sticks around to continue to harass you....and (assumption here) approaches you while your Mom is beside you (another assumption), you have to fail safe. You either run if you have time and your mom also can run, or, if no time and space, you fight to defend yourself and your mom. What if he has a weapon? You don't know at that time.

A jaw obviously be be broken with one punch, happens all the time...there is also a strong chance damage happened after he went out and hit the ground. It is a very unfortunate incident but if dumb dumb grabbed a cab when he got tossed, it doesn't happen.

Also, doormen should have made sure he was gone or called the campus cops. A miss there IMO.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by indes

Doesn't really impact the point of my post at all but fine, not a bar fight, just a fight after leaving a bar.

Not a fight

[Roko]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I don't condone scrapping on the street but I did grow up in a town where it was, unfortunately, a regular occurrence. In my younger life I spent a bunch of time working in bars.

So I will say, if a dude was kicked out of the bar for harassing you and your Mom and sticks around to continue to harass you....and (assumption here) approaches you while your Mom is beside you (another assumption), you have to fail safe. You either run if you have time and your mom also can run, or, if no time and space, you fight to defend yourself and your mom. What if he has a weapon? You don't know at that time.

A jaw obviously be be broken with one punch, happens all the time...there is also a strong chance damage happened after he went out and hit the ground. It is a very unfortunate incident but if dumb dumb grabbed a cab when he got tossed, it doesn't happen.

Also, doormen should have made sure he was gone or called the campus cops. A miss there IMO.

This is very likely the situation. Whether intentional or not to Gavin they likely looked like they waited for him after harassing his family and he may have been outnumbered or felt like there was a threat.

Isolated camera footage can look like he walked up and they yelled at each other then he hit him but if the other stuff is true it’s hard not to feel threatened.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Only two GMs hold law degrees, so I don’t think a background in law is common and definitely not one that covers criminal law and immigration law. But that is (one of the probably hundreds of reasons) why teams have actual lawyers.

I agree that the likelihood he’ll be sentenced is extremely small, but I think you’re totally underestimating how that would impact his draft position and his development.

Even one year is potentially catastrophic. No hockey, no skating, no opportunity to train sufficiently, plus a nasty criminal record that would make all sorts of things difficult. That alone could drop him out of the first round if not out of the entire draft if the criminal record is going to be an issue.

5 years pts him firmly in DND territory. Nobody is wasting a pick on a player, regardless of how good they might be at the time, who (best case scenario) doesn’t even join your organization or play hockey before your rights to him run out. There’s no way to retain his rights, so there is no point in drafting him when he’ll just be able to sign with whoever after the fact.

We will trade down for him, Murray will open his wallet and give Trump a fat bribe, he will be pardoned, and boom! back on the ice

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Roko

This is very likely the situation. Whether intentional or not to Gavin they likely looked like they waited for him after harassing his family and he may have been outnumbered or felt like there was a threat.

Isolated camera footage can look like he walked up and they yelled at each other then he hit him but if the other stuff is true it’s hard not to feel threatened.

Not outnumbered situation.

PM me and I can tell you everything. Very unremarkable story.

[Enoch Root]

just tell us all everything - reduce the speculation

[fotze2]

Nah. I did. Some drunk scrawny nerd heckling where they were and followed them out and continued as they went home. One punch that caught him good and done. He gets it the whole time there. $700k comes with this stuff.

[cam_calderon]

Insiderrr fotze

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Nah. I did. Some drunk scrawny nerd heckling where they were and followed them out and continued as they went home. One punch that caught him good and done. He gets it the whole time there. $700k comes with this stuff.

Sounds like the drunk kid deserved it. But based on the description, he doesn't seem like a true threat, and could've been avoided. I'm sure the full video will be out in due time but it ultimately sounds like something that will just go away over time. Police I'm sure charge first and leave the nuances for the courts.