[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[jayswin]

Yeah, he's propped up by Dahlin when you watch him play., That's not to say he couldn't become more, but as of right now he needs a star D-man as an anchor not be underwater analytically, will require a new, likely expensive, long term contract, and based on reports requires a significant acquisition cost from a Flames team that just started shedding assets last season in this rebuild/retool or whatever they're calling it.

This is not the move to be making now at all. Be more patient and see what comes from some drafting.

[traptor]

Farabee + pospisil +Mews let's go




No way i move zary for Byram

[Incogneto]

My guess is that Kevyn Adams is gun shy about the reaction of deals he had made in the past, therefore he is waiting for the Friday afternoon news dump to make the trade.

So my prediction is that 3pm MST on Friday, a Byram trade comes down. Don’t know if it is to the Flames, but Adams will do whatever he can to avoid the media negativity.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Man you can keep saying this but by no metric other than being drafted 4th overall has Byram shown he should be part of this core.

But.

He could very well be the start of a core. Not sure what you see but there is no core, yet. Just a bunch of old guys and a bunch of young guys. It's almost disappointing that none of the young guys have stepped up and took the team on its shoulders a little bit.

Wolf is the one and where you start. He can't be the Captain but he is truly a leader. That kids hide is as thick as his last name, but he's on an island. Calgary had a leader until Giordano told him 'hey, don't do that." Look at that guy now. Winning cups and ####.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It really isn't an exaggeration at all. Byram has been brutally underwater for years, even when he was in Colorado. It's just bad all around.

You can debate the merits of these kinds of numbers but for a supposed offensive defenceman he doesn't generate much offense on his own. And when he wasn't with Dahlin this past year it was just a total trainwreck.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1932904224020480145

I don't know if this is true, but it could be true. And I think that's enough to be a pass from me. You have to give up assets for this guy and then sign him to a long term and expensive cap hit.

The flames aren't in a rush to source a long-term top-4 defense option. The team can and should wait for a better top 4 defenseman to come along. What happens if the flames suck in 2025-26 and come the draft the BPA is a franchise, left shot defenseman? What if a left shot top-4 defenseman wants to come to Calgary as a discount in UFA?

Don't blow your wad too early

[gvitaly]

I actually see a lot of Rasmus in Byram when he skates the puck out. A little of Hanifin in the lack of a shot from the blueline, combined with the ability to get lost in coverage as he moves up to the circles. His wrist shot is better than either Andersson's or Hanifin's IMO.

Offense: Byram is pretty good at skating the puck out, or even leading the rush. His skating is great, and his finishing, especially on breakaways, is elite for a defenseman. He gets a lot of his goals by going to straight to the net, or off the rush when a teammate finds him as the trailer. That's why most of his goals are from the slot or the face off circles. Just don't expect a booming shot off the blue line that beats goalies from there. As far as his play making, I don't think he generates much as a passer, most of it comes from quickly taking the puck up the ice. I don't think Byram is a great PP guy, again, he's kind of like Andersson in that regard.

Defense: He mostly defends with his stick, which comes back to bite him occasionally when a forward gets positioning on him. He gets puck watching from time to time, standing still covering no one on his side of the net while the play develops elsewhere, but that could be a BUF system thing. In fact, I question his decision-making/compete from time to time since as long as he is covering his man he is more than content standing still, no matter how big of a grade A chance against is developing. He's also not great at blocking shots. He sort of attempts to get between the puck and the net, but he looks small when he does it, and he gets stuck in no-mans-land as a result. I think he's decent at denying zone entries with possession, but average at puck retrievals. Don't expect too much rough staff after the whistles, or him to initiate it. He's also average at the net front battles. His skating definitely helps in limiting rush chances against, and odd man rushes against. He reminds me a lot of Zadorov in the way he positions himself defensively, and how he reacts to plays, minus the big hits of course.

So yeah, he has a lot to work on defensively. I'm not sure how much of it has to do with the way BUF plays, but they have a lot of breakdowns defensively, and a lot of chances against. I question how well he sees the plays develop defensively, and if that can be changed.

[Poe969]

If you get Byram, it's not for his defensive prowess. Byram is a points guy and he's still young enough that he can develop his defensive game. Having solid goaltending will also hide a lot of mistakes.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Also, people are forgetting how good this coaching staff is at developing the defensive side of a defenseman's game. Weegar has actually improved a lot since joining the team, as did Bahl. Hanley looks like a top 4 here. That's not an accident.

If Byram is willing to learn, he'll do just fine. It's the rest of his game that's hard to find, so that's why you go out and get him.

[Vinny01]

A trade proposal I saw on the Sabres and Flames Reddit seems like it might be a fair deal

To Flames: Byram and Krebs
To Sabres: Zary, Mews, Pospisil

Not sure how I feel about it to be honest.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A trade proposal I saw on the Sabres and Flames Reddit seems like it might be a fair deal

To Flames: Byram and Krebs
To Sabres: Zary, Mews, Pospisil

Not sure how I feel about it to be honest.

Too fair for Buffalo. Buffalo keep Krebs, we keep Zary. Adjusted.


I'm not thrilled about Byram, personally. Rather get a prospect.

[Erick Estrada]

Byram to me is a very poor man's version of Evan Bouchard. At least with Evan Bouchard you are getting elite offensive production to offset the fact he's a poor defender. With Byram you are getting merely average offensive production from a poor defender as he's closer to Kylington than he is to Bouchard. I just feel the risk is not worth the reward as there's nothing about this player that screams elite or better than average save for his skating.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I am pretty sure Calgary’s analytics department is one of the best in the league, so either their advanced stats say something different or Conroy isn’t listening to them. Based on the way the last few drafts have gone, I would say he listens to the analytics department.

Couldn’t relocate it but there was another comment or two that Byram has been propped up by Dahlin.

To your point though, not only do the Flames have a great analytics department, I’m fairly confident that the Flames have also given quite a bit of thought to where and who Byram would play with. If the trade does happen, as well as the inevitable Andersson trade, you’re looking at:

Byram-Weegar
Bahl-Parekh
Hanley-Pachal

Not a bad top 4, IMO. ‘Propped up’ to me is a somewhat redundant/meaningless term. How many D-men league wide don’t benefit from their partner? As bad as we like to think some of them are, very few offer nothing or next to nothing and I would have a real hard time believing Byram was one of them.

All that said, I’m not including any pick in the first two rounds for Byram. If there’s a player for player deal, I’m a lot more interested.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I'd be nauseous if we moved Zary.

Stop.

I don't want them to move Zary either but you have to give up quality to get quality back and there's been rumors for a while that Buffalo has had interest in Zary. I'd very much prefer that they just trade Ras for the best package they can get, sign Zary to a bridge and roll with what they have for the season

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Too fair for Buffalo. Buffalo keep Krebs, we keep Zary. Adjusted.


I'm not thrilled about Byram, personally. Rather get a prospect.

I doubt Mews-Posposil gets it done.

Mews is, what two years away at least? Buffalo likely wants players now. If Byram has concussion concerns I’d say Posposil has more given the way he plays.

Believe Mews has not yet signed, right? Would Buffalo consider him a flight risk? Pretty sure Buffalo isn’t going to make this move without a controlled assets coming back.

Bruztewicz-Posposil might be more realistic.

[Toonage]

So far Ive read how good he is with Dahlin, how bad he is with Dahlin, and how he may or may not have contributed to the Avs cup win.

His analytics are bad, his analytics don't tell the whole story.

Nobody here knows what he is.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Couldn’t relocate it but there was another comment or two that Byram has been propped up by Dahlin.

To your point though, not only do the Flames have a great analytics department, I’m fairly confident that the Flames have also given quite a bit of thought to where and who Byram would play with. If the trade does happen, as well as the inevitable Andersson trade, you’re looking at:

Byram-Weegar
Bahl-Parekh
Hanley-Pachal

Not a bad top 4, IMO. ‘Propped up’ to me is a somewhat redundant/meaningless term. How many D-men league wide don’t benefit from their partner? As bad as we like to think some of them are, very few offer nothing or next to nothing and I would have a real hard time believing Byram was one of them.

All that said, I’m not including any pick in the first two rounds for Byram. If there’s a player for player deal, I’m a lot more interested.

The stats say stay away from Byram, but he is a 23-year-old D (last season) who was stuck behind elite D and has battled injuries. Not all D are Makar, Orr or Doughty. It's quite common that superstar D take a few years to develop and more are average 23 years old and younger and 24 is a age that we could see a huge step from Byram, especially considering the missed games early in his career.

I see his ceiling being better than Anderson and likely will just be a good D in the range of Ras or Hanifin.

If the contract is similar to their ask and we can add him without giving up a 1st (Buffalo doesn't want them anyways), we should be all over this.

Other than Parekh, we do not have any other D prospect that is a top 50 calibre prospect. We have Weegar, Hanley, Pachal who are over 30 or just depth players. I like our D as a whole, but we are not loaded to the point where adding Byram doesn't make sense.

Unless Zary moves to center, he can be involved in this trade as we are no question loaded on the wing. D and C are the most important position when building, we add Byram, and we could be landing a star that hasn't broke out yet.

With Frost signing, I just don't see Zary at center unless we have injuries.

[The Original FFIV]

Let’s take back Samuelsson to reduce the acquisition cost. Plus St Louis doesn’t have the cap to help Buffalo out that way.

Have to wonder if Zary remaining rfa means he’s part of the deal. But all for acquiring elite talent, which Byram seems to be. Some red flags for sure (concussion), but worth the risk. A lot of people here wanting to tank to get young elite talent, but here’s an opportunity to do that instead of rolling the dice in the draft lottery for the chance to acquire a good high ceiling player. All aboard the Byram train!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

*facepalm*

Coronato is a 22 year old who just scored 24 goals in his sophomore season (although his rookie season was just 34 games). He's likely to become a perennial 30 goal scorer and he's complementary in your eyes?

Damn, you're a hard sell.

To use the most recent Cup champions for reference, Coronato is Verhaeghe. Really good player. But if he's one of the top five guys on your roster, you're not a contender.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Let’s take back Samuelsson to reduce the acquisition cost. Plus St Louis doesn’t have the cap to help Buffalo out that way.

Have to wonder if Zary remaining rfa means he’s part of the deal. But all for acquiring elite talent, which Byram seems to be. Some red flags for sure (concussion), but worth the risk. A lot of people here wanting to tank to get young elite talent, but here’s an opportunity to do that instead of rolling the dice in the draft lottery for the chance to acquire a good high ceiling player. All aboard the Byram train!

Also something that should not be overlooked in all this, IMO.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

To use the most recent Cup champions for reference, Coronato is Verhaeghe. Really good player. But if he's one of the top five guys on your roster, you're not a contender.

Maybe he's Verhaghe...maybe he's Reinhart.

I don't think we know yet