[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Robbob]

Not going to lie. The prospects of having picks 9 and 10 made me giddy. Having 7 and 9 would be a hell of a way to kick things off. The combination of potential players they could come out of the draft would definitely be something to talk about all summer.

[Calgary4LIfe]

It is the law of supply and demand. There are a bunch of teams that see themselves as good teams, who have issues in net. There just simply aren't that many good goalies available.

Markstrom
Ullmark
Gibson???
Binnington??


Saros is not moving apparently. Who else?



I think for any team that is sick of losing, then Markstrom is the clear favourite out of the bunch. Binnington isn't that great, even if he did win a cup. Ullmark underperformed in this recent playoffs, so there's a little tarnish there. Gibson has a worse deal, and hasn't been a really good starter for a while now IIRC.


How many teams DON'T have to worry about goaltending? It suddenly seems like a smaller number in the last couple of years.



We have seen a number of years on the Flames where they suffered from poor goaltending in the playoffs. Elliott? Rittich/Talbot? Whatever you accomplish in the regular season gets wiped out and forgotten about when you have a leaky goalie in the playoffs. It becomes another valuable year that you were a contender and some other teams were not yet. Teams don't stay contenders forever. Lose a couple of years trying to find a cheaper alternative, and suddenly before you know it you have to make other tough decisions on your team about who to give big raises to, which players you need to trade away to cut costs, and suddenly you start chasing other teams who have caught up and then passed you that off-season. Every wasted year counts.


Ottawa has to do something now. New Jersey has to do something now. Caroline SHOULD do something now. LA has to do something now. Colorado should look to upgrade as this + 2nd line centre are obvious weaknesses. Unless the Islanders decide to throw in the towel and sell their players, including Sorokin, then I would say that Markstrom is the guy you prioritize getting.


I think 2 runs makes up for a 10th overall pick, with retention on Markstrom. You aren't getting anyone who is going to be any good without giving that asset up. I am going to demand that if I am Anaheim, or St. Louis or whomever, even if I have to send something back. Or the Devils can roll the dice on subpar goaltending again, and Fitzgerald can find a new job at some point towards the end of next season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

No his advanced stats weren't consistent. They dropped off along with the teams play after the deadline.

He had a worse team in front of him but his expected goals were worse off after the deadline. That was to be expected really but let's not pretend he was consistent.

His GSAA was pretty consistent all year. But even that stat doesn’t make up for the loss of Tanev, Hanifin and Zadorov in front of him. The high risk chances are even higher risk.

[Torture]

Love to hear that there might but a couple of serious teams. Maybe Conroy's just working the media to push the price up but seems like the writing is on the wall that Markstrom will be gone by the draft.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I doubt that very much. They were garbage down the stretch, hard to win games when you are scoring one or two goals.

Pretty revisionist.

The Devils were 2 points out of a playoff spot on Feb 14th (despite horrific goaltending). They were right there, and pretty much everyone agreed that they're a better team than DET and PHI, so the playoff spot was there for the taking.

But the persistent trade talks had to take a toll. And not getting a goalie eventually sank them. They went 11-18-1 from that point on, but let's not pretend that they weren't a good team. Fitz derailed their season, and that's why these rumours are right back on now (because the same problem still persists).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It is the law of supply and demand. There are a bunch of teams that see themselves as good teams, who have issues in net. There just simply aren't that many good goalies available.

Markstrom
Ullmark
Gibson???
Binnington??


Saros is not moving apparently. Who else?



I think for any team that is sick of losing, then Markstrom is the clear favourite out of the bunch. Binnington isn't that great, even if he did win a cup. Ullmark underperformed in this recent playoffs, so there's a little tarnish there. Gibson has a worse deal, and hasn't been a really good starter for a while now IIRC.


How many teams DON'T have to worry about goaltending? It suddenly seems like a smaller number in the last couple of years.



We have seen a number of years on the Flames where they suffered from poor goaltending in the playoffs. Elliott? Rittich/Talbot? Whatever you accomplish in the regular season gets wiped out and forgotten about when you have a leaky goalie in the playoffs. It becomes another valuable year that you were a contender and some other teams were not yet. Teams don't stay contenders forever. Lose a couple of years trying to find a cheaper alternative, and suddenly before you know it you have to make other tough decisions on your team about who to give big raises to, which players you need to trade away to cut costs, and suddenly you start chasing other teams who have caught up and then passed you that off-season. Every wasted year counts.


Ottawa has to do something now. New Jersey has to do something now. Caroline SHOULD do something now. LA has to do something now. Colorado should look to upgrade as this + 2nd line centre are obvious weaknesses. Unless the Islanders decide to throw in the towel and sell their players, including Sorokin, then I would say that Markstrom is the guy you prioritize getting.


I think 2 runs makes up for a 10th overall pick, with retention on Markstrom. You aren't getting anyone who is going to be any good without giving that asset up. I am going to demand that if I am Anaheim, or St. Louis or whomever, even if I have to send something back. Or the Devils can roll the dice on subpar goaltending again, and Fitzgerald can find a new job at some point towards the end of next season.

Saros not being on the market would be a positive development.

I'm not too hung up on the return for Markstrom, I'd just like to see a deal get done and keep moving along the rebuild path. Flames traded three high quality D, a 2nd line center anda 2nd line winger over the past year. No complaints with the returns but it's not like it has instantly propelled our talent pool into the top tier. It's going to take a while and good drafting is the key.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

960 had Renaud Lavoie on today said the Senators are in play he was talking about the Sens possibly having to send Chabot back which I thought was crazy talk.

Did he say the 7oa was also involved? They aren’t just going to give 7oa away. It’s going to cost a lot to acquire it , so I could see Chabot involved if so.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Chabot has 3 years left at 8 AAV.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

No his advanced stats weren't consistent. They dropped off along with the teams play after the deadline.

He had a worse team in front of him but his expected goals were worse off after the deadline. That was to be expected really but let's not pretend he was consistent.

I think other teams will understand the situation changed after the trade deadline. his friends gone, he was mentally out the door but the Flames upper mgmt or ownership(?) bungled the trade, so his focus and drive as an athlete took an understandable hit

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pretty revisionist.

The Devils were 2 points out of a playoff spot on Feb 14th (despite horrific goaltending). They were right there, and pretty much everyone agreed that they're a better team than DET and PHI, so the playoff spot was there for the taking.

But the persistent trade talks had to take a toll. And not getting a goalie eventually sank them. They went 11-18-1 from that point on, but let's not pretend that they weren't a good team. Fitz derailed their season, and that's why these rumours are right back on now (because the same problem still persists).

Fitz is a moron.

Jake Allen lol

Pay up doosh

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does anyone actually believe he tried to pull a fast one on Conroy? That just seems unprofessional and childish.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Chabot has 3 years left at 8 AAV.

4 years / 38M remaining.

It's a hefty, hefty deal for the player he has proven to be over the past handful of seasons.

[SemicolonD]

The best part of a Markstrom trade would be the direction of the club and the benefit to solidifying next year’s top 10 pick instead of losing it.

The actual return is just gravy for me.

He could return a 2nd + B prospect and that’d still be fine with me. Rather expect low so I’m surprised than expect pick #10 PLUS Holtz and be disappointed.

No idea what is more likely, just stating the mindset I have with this deal.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pretty revisionist.

No sir, we've been over this and we don't agree on what the stats say. Allen and Kakohnen were better than the Daws/Schmid combo.

There were several games down the stretch where they couldn't buy a goal and thereby squandered decent performances by their goaltender.

Hamilton's injury sunk their season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

No sir, we've been over this and we don't agree on what the stats say. Allen and Kakohnen were better than the Daws/Schmid combo.

There were several games down the stretch where they couldn't buy a goal and thereby squandered decent performances by their goaltender.

Hamilton's injury sunk their season.

Lindy Ruff is also an outdated coach with a promising young roster. He had a hand in the down season as well.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

960 had Renaud Lavoie on today said the Senators are in play he was talking about the Sens possibly having to send Chabot back which I thought was crazy talk.

Given his injury problems and the emergence of Sanderson I think the Sens would love to get rid of Chabot's contract. The rumour around Ottawa has always been that they will have to trade Chychrun to get the balance of right show left shot dmen they want but I am sure they would rather keep Chychrun and trade Chabot if they could.

If the #7 was not in play I would much rather see the Flames try to get Pinto and some combination of picks out of Ottawa than Chabot. Pinto strikes me as a center that could turn into a 60-70 point a year guy in the right situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

4 years / 38M remaining.

It's a hefty, hefty deal for the player he has proven to be over the past handful of seasons.

Yeah that is ugly. No wonder he is on the table.

That contract could block us from making moves if they want to compete in year 3 or 4.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Chabot has had a rough couple years in Ottawa. I’ve no doubt he and Weegar could be a dominant pairing, Weegar makes anyone good next to him.

Wouldn’t mind a Chabot / 7th OA for Markstrom / ? kind of deal. Or if 7th OA isn’t available is anyone opposed to Chabot for Markstrom straight up?

The Flames adding a 28 year old, 8 million dollar a year dman for the next 4 years and then having to try to sign him when he is 32 does not seem like the type of move that the Flames should be making right now.

[keenan87]

I would take a chance on Chabot. Give him easy minutes, build up his reputation and then sell him. Lots of PP time.

A 4 year contract is also not scary considering Flames will at best start competing in his final season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by paulie walnuts

chabot has 3 years left at 8 aav.

nm