2022 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Hypothetical.

If the ask became Moreno and Pearson instead of Moreno and Manoah would you make that trade?

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hypothetical.

If the ask became Moreno and Pearson instead of Moreno and Manoah would you make that trade?

Ugh, I am sweating just thinking about it.

The Moreno hype is real and he plays the scarcest position too.

I’d think he’s about as untouchable as it gets. I think I still decline.

[howard_the_duck]

Re: Manoah -there's no way the Jays would subtract from the rotation - feels like that's set.

Moreno is untouchable too, IMO.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hypothetical.

If the ask became Moreno and Pearson instead of Moreno and Manoah would you make that trade?

If the team believes they have a legitimate shot at winning the World Series with Ramirez, yes, they should make that trade. You need to go all in sometimes. They can replenish the farm in 3-4 years.

[SuperMatt18]

I agree that Moreno looks like he's going to be great...but I think if Ramirez came with a team friendly extension I might be more open to it.

1. Springer CF
2. Ramirez 2B
3. Guerrero Jr. 1B
4. Hernandez DH
5. Bichette SS
6. Chapman 3B
7. Gurriel LF
8. Grichuk RF
9. Jansen/Kirk C

That lineup is pretty remarkable.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hypothetical.

If the ask became Moreno and Pearson instead of Moreno and Manoah would you make that trade?

No, as good as Ramirez is, and I believe he is actually signed this year and NEXT, I still don't do it now. I suspect the ask comes down if the Guardians fall out of it and we're down to 1 year and a bit left in the contract.

If the Jays do this right, and this is what Atkins and Shapiro have been saying all along, their next wave of prospects will be on minimum deals when the young guys on the roster are making their big money contracts and the vets are gone. Sustainable model if you can develop your prospects and then add in what you don't with veteran FA.

[MacFlame]

I know this may be old school thinking, but boy do I dislike that .210 average from chapman. What I liked so much about this team over the past couple of years was that they could just keep innings going on forever and tiring out pitchers. This just seems like an easy out in the lineup, save for 25 times in a 162 game season where he hits a home run.

Am I being too pessimistic? Yeah probably. Just really dislike that average.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I know this may be old school thinking, but boy do I dislike that .210 average from chapman. What I liked so much about this team over the past couple of years was that they could just keep innings going on forever and tiring out pitchers. This just seems like an easy out in the lineup, save for 25 times in a 162 game season where he hits a home run.

Am I being too pessimistic? Yeah probably. Just really dislike that average.

I don't either although I think if your the Jays you are certainly hoping health is a factor there. Last year seems to be quite a drop from his normal numbers.

The one thing that helps me feel better about it is he draws a good amount of walks. Jays were not very good in this area and Chapman would have been second only to Vladdy last year in walks.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I know this may be old school thinking, but boy do I dislike that .210 average from chapman. What I liked so much about this team over the past couple of years was that they could just keep innings going on forever and tiring out pitchers. This just seems like an easy out in the lineup, save for 25 times in a 162 game season where he hits a home run.

Am I being too pessimistic? Yeah probably. Just really dislike that average.

He had hip surgery in Sept. 2020, so I wonder how much that affected him last year. I also think that playing in the AL East will really help his numbers, plus hitting in this lineup will be a big plus for him.

I am not sure he will ever be a .300 hitter, but his walk % went up last year so he is showing more discipline at the plate which is good.

Really though this is all about the glove, the extra offense he gives is going to be gravy, plus it will be way better than the offense we have been getting from 3B.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man this Jays FO.

Biggest weaknesses coming out of the lock out were:

3B - Espinal
2B - Biggio
5th SP - Stripling/Pearson

Pretty much cleaned all that up with Kikuchi and Chapman, as now you can platoon Biggio and Espinal at 2B, or just play the hot hand.

The only thing I'd really like to see is another solid reliever or two brought in, but the pickings are pretty slim now. Might have to roll with what we've got.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I know this may be old school thinking, but boy do I dislike that .210 average from chapman. What I liked so much about this team over the past couple of years was that they could just keep innings going on forever and tiring out pitchers. This just seems like an easy out in the lineup, save for 25 times in a 162 game season where he hits a home run.

Am I being too pessimistic? Yeah probably. Just really dislike that average.

No offense, but it certainly is old school thinking.

Matt Chapman had a 101 wRC+ last season, which means he was a league average bat and that was the worst wRC+ of his career so far. He still put up 3.4 fWAR. Keep in mind he spent most of his at bats in a pitcher friendly park in Oakland. His career OPS at Rogers is .930

If his bat bounces back at all he's probably going to put up 4 or 5+ fWAR
Bo's fWAR last season 4.9

This trade is pretty awesome

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm really interested to see what they do with Pearson this year. Unless somebody breaks or falls apart in ST, the rotation is looking pretty locked up. Do they stretch Pearson out and start him in the AAA rotation, or do they try to feed him as many MLB innings as possible as a long man reliever?

[KelVarnsen]

Jays updated schedule

https://twitter.com/user/status/1504188993319186440

[flames_fan_down_under]

The hip surgery thing is definitely concerning. The same surgery Tulowitzki got and really didn’t rediscover his former form.

Edit: After looking further into it it seems like ( not surprising) a lot of pro baseball players have gotten this surgery, with varying degrees of success. Chase Utley, A-Rod and others have bounced back pretty well.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I don't think the front office is done. I think there is more money to spend.

[ben voyonsdonc]

If you can get Ramirez without giving up a roster player, the Jays should do it. This team should be trying to win the World Series with their roster and I can't see why you'd want to hold back at this point.

[Roof-Daddy]

Rumored ask was Manoah and Moreno for Ramirez

Can't do that IMO

[ben voyonsdonc]

There’s definitely no point in taking from the starting rotation. We should be willing to raid the farm though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm really interested to see what they do with Pearson this year. Unless somebody breaks or falls apart in ST, the rotation is looking pretty locked up. Do they stretch Pearson out and start him in the AAA rotation, or do they try to feed him as many MLB innings as possible as a long man reliever?

starting pitching is like defensemen in the playoffs - you can never have too many

I think you stretch him out as long relief and the 6th starter, and I think it's a safe bet that he is part of the rotation in relatively short order (as someone is always injured)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

If you can get Ramirez without giving up a roster player, the Jays should do it. This team should be trying to win the World Series with their roster and I can't see why you'd want to hold back at this point.

Agreed. I would (reluctantly) give up Moreno+, but not Manoah - can't dent the rotation at this point.