2021 NFL off season thread

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Called this a while back. Going to reunite with Frank Reich.

I bet he has a resurgence.

It would be hard for him to be worse behind that offensive line and with the weapons around him.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It would be hard for him to be worse behind that offensive line and with the weapons around him.

The problem is he had the worst QB rating in the league last year with a clean pocket. The fact the Eagles got out of his contract, which was arguably worse than Goff's, without having to add assets, is a nice win for Philly. The thing for the Colts is they probably could go 9-7 next year with Brissett. I don't think Wentz adds much to that total, if at all.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It would be hard for him to be worse behind that offensive line and with the weapons around him.

I assume Eagles fans will be taking deep breaths every time he takes a big hit knowing that a 1st round pick is linked to his availability.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I assume Eagles fans will be taking deep breaths every time he takes a big hit knowing that a 1st round pick is linked to his availability.

Obviously the hope is for him to stay healthy but be bad enough that the Colts finish with a losing record and miss the playoffs.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mean it sets up to be pretty hilarious when the 5-7 Colts bench Wentz the rest of the year to save a first rounder. I'm sure he'll take that well.

[troutman]

I thought the Colts benefited from a soft schedule last season, and could crash next year.

[Senator Clay Davis]

2015-2017 is obviously the argument against tanking. Winston, Mariota, Goff, Wentz, Trubisky, all top two picks and all on their second teams within five years (although two of those teams won Super Bowls anyway).

[DropIt]

Thats about the right price with the contract he carries and his sub par play after his surgery. Don't see who else really lands a starting spot instead of Wentz so I'm sure the Eagles landed a first for him

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sucks though because the team has a really good defense and that's half the equation. I feel the Bears are a good QB away from having a really good team as a Raiders fan I haven't seen even an average defense for almost two decades (in fact they are coming of the worst decade of defense ever for an organization) so having a really good defense isn't something you want to waste. I think they are right to look at all their options for improving at the position but I just don't see Wentz as being the answer. As I have said before they would be better off getting a guy like Mariota that's played in the playoffs and will be cheap over taking on the contract of Wentz who may have a higher ceiling than Mariota but his floor is worst QB in the league which is terrifying given the contract. Mariota is better than any QB they have had since Cutler and could be a solid bridge QB allowing the Bears to draft a QB and bring him along slowly.

I just don't see it with Mariota aside from him beeiingg a previous starter with a cheap contract, but I don't think MM is any better than Trubisky.

Id rather give a shot to Tyrod Taylor or enjoy a Fitzmagic season.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If Mariota were free that'd be one thing, but based off market Mariota will cost a second rounder and at that point it's not worth it. Mariota also figures to be the last QB chip to fall once the teams who struck out on getting another QB have to settle.

[devo22]

this is crazy. I think the Browns are in good shape right now, but imagine where they could be if their talent evaluation had been better.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1362460619979522053

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If Mariota were free that'd be one thing, but based off market Mariota will cost a second rounder and at that point it's not worth it. Mariota also figures to be the last QB chip to fall once the teams who struck out on getting another QB have to settle.

The Raiders aren't going to get a 2nd for Mariota. The rest of the league knows the Raiders will have to cut him so teams can wait them out. I can't imagine them getting higher than a 4th round pick for him which is cheap. I think he's an upgrade on Trubisky, Foles, Taylor, etc. He actually played pretty well in that one game for the Raiders last season and has that element of mobility to his game as holding a clipboard finally enabled him to get healthy as he was damaged goods when the Raiders signed him.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Raiders aren't going to get a 2nd for Mariota. The rest of the league knows the Raiders will have to cut him so teams can wait them out. I can't imagine them getting higher than a 4th round pick for him which is cheap. I think he's an upgrade on Trubisky, Foles, Taylor, etc. He actually played pretty well in that one game for the Raiders last season and has that element of mobility to his game as holding a clipboard finally enabled him to get healthy as he was damaged goods when the Raiders signed him.

We just watched a QB all of us considered worth a midround pick at best net a conditional first. We just saw the Rams trade out of the first round for two straight years to upgrade. QB desperation is very real. And it's not about Mariota being better than Trubisky or Foles or whoever. He's a stopgap, you aren't winning anything with him and are much better off with a rookie QB or tanking. Trading any assets for him is stupid, but QB desperation tells us teams do stupid things when a QB is involved.

[KelVarnsen]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1362445405531885570

[Senator Clay Davis]

I wonder if the Goff/Wentz situations will give pause to the Browns, Bills and Ravens giving extensions to Mayfield, Allen and Jackson before they have to. If the Rams/Eagles had just let their rookie deals run out with their fifth year option then they both could have just walked away from Goff/Wentz at no cost. I get why you want to lock them in before the fifth year option kicks in, to spread out the cap hit of the extension into the last rookie year, but we just saw the downside of that. As we see now anyway though the cap is kinda not real, you can constantly manipulate it with restructures and extensions, so even if it costs you a few extra million to wait until after year five to extend them, you also keep open the option of not being ####ed with a bad contract.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I wonder if the Goff/Wentz situations will give pause to the Browns, Bills and Ravens giving extensions to Mayfield, Allen and Jackson before they have to. If the Rams/Eagles had just let their rookie deals run out with their fifth year option then they both could have just walked away from Goff/Wentz at no cost. I get why you want to lock them in before the fifth year option kicks in, to spread out the cap hit of the extension into the last rookie year, but we just saw the downside of that. As we see now anyway though the cap is kinda not real, you can constantly manipulate it with restructures and extensions, so even if it costs you a few extra million to wait until after year five to extend them, you also keep open the option of not being ####ed with a bad contract.

Not only that, but you can always just franchise them for a couple of years after that if you still don't want to make a commitment.

I think the issue still is that you have to find someone to replace them if you let them walk, and that's hard to do if they're just good enough to win you the division or snag a wild card spot.

Gonna be interesting to see what the Eagles do at #6 overall if one of Fields, Wilson, or Lance are sitting there. I'd imagine the Eagles have all three rated higher than Hurts, but that's going to be a tough pill to swallow for Howie.

I'd imagine Sewell goes #3 and then the Bengals and Falcons both try to trade down with QB-needy teams, leaving the Eagles with their choice of Chase, Smith, or Pitts. Parsons would be there, too, but the Eagles don't traditionally value LBs that highly.

[Erick Estrada]

I guess the only downside of franchising the QB is that you run into the situation the Cowboys are in where they could have probably signed Prescott for Goff money a few years ago and now he supposedly wants Mahomes money. While I don't think Prescott is elite he's good enough with that supporting cast to put up points but people forget that they had a losing record when Prescott got hurt last season and it would be hard to stomach allotting over $40 million in cap space to an 8-10 win QB as Prescott needs to be surrounded by talent to be successful and when you allot that much to a QB it makes it difficult to build a good team around him.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I guess the only downside of franchising the QB is that you run into the situation the Cowboys are in where they could have probably signed Prescott for Goff money a few years ago and now he supposedly wants Mahomes money. While I don't think Prescott is elite he's good enough with that supporting cast to put up points but people forget that they had a losing record when Prescott got hurt last season and it would be hard to stomach allotting over $40 million in cap space to an 8-10 win QB as Prescott needs to be surrounded by talent to be successful and when you allot that much to a QB it makes it difficult to build a good team around him.

I dont understand why the Cowboys have been getting roasted over the DAK contract the last couple years. So many think they should just pay him what he wants. Its easy to roast Jerry Jones for many decisions but paying Dak close to 40 million is insane especially with a horrible defence that needs a complete re-tool.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

I dont understand why the Cowboys have been getting roasted over the DAK contract the last couple years. So many think they should just pay him what he wants. Its easy to roast Jerry Jones for many decisions but paying Dak close to 40 million is insane especially with a horrible defence that needs a complete re-tool.

They are getting roasted because they could have signed him a few years back for an average level QB salary but now they are in a bind with him looking to be the highest paid QB in the league. That said now they are in the bind it can't get any worse if they just tag him again even if it makes their cap situation tight. I don't buy that teams would be lining up to pay Prescott $40+ million annually if he hit free agency which is why I would play hardball.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The problem right now is there's no such thing as a QB middle class. Once a guy reaches the end of his rookie deal he's either good enough to extend, at which point he's given top 10 QB money even if he isn't a top 10 QB; and if he isn't good enough for a new deal with his drafting team he's pretty much into backup territory because it makes more financial sense to go with a rookie. Goff is a perfect example. Goff at his current contract is abysmal. Goff at $17-20 million per year? If I had a good system to protect Goff's flaws I'd be happy with that contract. But the choice now is basically down to poverty rookie QB wages or $30 million+ per year. There still hasn't been a reset to the market since Flacco broke the market, and QB desperation is only getting worse.