[Rumour] Friedman: Treliving looking to add a 1st for 2018 draft. Coyotes won't sign Hickey.

[bigrangy]

If Hamilton was only 6'1" he wouldn't get the disrespect he does

Would I like to see him be meaner? Yes, obviously, but even without that, he's still an incredible defenseman.

Honestly if he was 6'1" he'd probably do better imo, he seems to get tangled up with himself a lot.

And for anyone who wants big, skilled, and mean, keep your eyes out for Nic Hague. The guy has been terrorizing the OHL this year and I think he'll be a threat on the VGK blueline for a very long time.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Hey Flash, I agree with this 100%, but he does show an edge at times. However, I'm not sure how much that softness has been coached into him by Gulutzan, so I'm willing to see how he responds under another coach. He certainly wasn't "soft" in Boston by any means. Not a bruiser either, but he didn't back down from contact and held his own defensively. I honestly think he's a young player who's had a bad coach for the last couple of years.

And we can talk about how points don't matter, but honestly, goal scoring is hugely important in the NHL these days, and goal scoring defensemen are at a premium. Then you factor in the reality that Hamilton has scored 16 goals which is 5th on the team, and he's 4th on the team in point production (also 4th in +/- at +1 on a team that is well in the negative in goal differential). That's a significant hole to create on a team that already struggles to score goals ranked 26th, and who only just recently eclipsed the 200 goal mark as a team.

In short, Hamilton is too important to this team to worry about small things like intangibles. He can play, and he probably needs a little different direction from a better coach.

I wouldn't trade Hamilton, but if he had Giordano's overall level of compete he'd be one if if not the best defenders in the league.

Burns has compete which is a big reason why he is so effective.

Hoping Dougie can find that gear in the next few seasons, just not sure if it can be learned or if it is ingrained. If it is something that can't really be learned should we adjust expectations? I don't know the answer.

Just how much of that story about mccrimmon and regehr comes down to personality traits, or if you put him in a cage and poked him long enough, would he adopt that personality?

It would be a mistake to move Hamilton imo.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wouldn't trade Hamilton, but if he had Giordano's overall level of compete he'd be one if if not the best defenders in the league.

Burns has compete which is a big reason why he is so effective.

Hoping Dougie can find that gear in the next few seasons, just not sure if it can be learned or if it is ingrained. If it is something that can't really be learned should we adjust expectations? I don't know the answer.

Just how much of that story about mccrimmon and regehr comes down to personality traits, or if you put him in a cage and poked him long enough, would he adopt that personality?

It would be a mistake to move Hamilton imo.

Hamilton would be really good on a team that was had a full complement of over the top leaders.... 2004 Flames for instance ( not near as much talent but at least 6-7 guys with at least Gio level compete) He could play the Jordan Leopold role on that team.

How much better did Russell-Wideman-Brodie-Engelland play at the end of 2015 than this team's defense. They were not as talented.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I wouldn't trade Hamilton, but if he had Giordano's overall level of compete he'd be one if if not the best defenders in the league.

Burns has compete which is a big reason why he is so effective.

Hoping Dougie can find that gear in the next few seasons, just not sure if it can be learned or if it is ingrained. If it is something that can't really be learned should we adjust expectations? I don't know the answer.

Just how much of that story about mccrimmon and regehr comes down to personality traits, or if you put him in a cage and poked him long enough, would he adopt that personality?

It would be a mistake to move Hamilton imo.

At 24 Gio was just beginning to have Gio level of compete, after coming back from Russia. But then some guys never get it. Hamilton has the tools, and a trade would be regretted I bet.

[alcatrazhockey]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

And the only way Flames win that trade is if the pick wins the lottery and we pick Dahlin (and that Dahlin doesn’t bust, which I feel is very unlikely but still). Hamilton is extremely underrated here. The thought of trading him for anything but an elite level young Centermen sends shivers up my spine.

Just read an article in the Athletic about the Norris race and Hamilton had the third highest ‘game score’, Gio was 8th. He’s not going to win, no doubt, but he will garner plenty of votes this year. He’s not a perfect defensemen by any means, and lol at whoever suggested he’ll never be Pronger as if that’s some kind of realistic expectation for any defensemen, but he’s a damn fine player and one of the better ones in the league. I’m hoping to see a new coaching staff that actually puts a little more faith in him and hopefully we’ll see him take the last step he needs to be considered elite.

I was listening to LoweTide/Oilers radio for kicks this morning, and they suggested that if BT offered up Dougie for RNH, the Oilers GM should just hang up the phone, "no way."

Now obviously EDM media/perception is horribly skewed and hilarious, but is RNH the kind of "elite level young centreman" you would accept in return? If not, who?

[Enoch Root]

Chiarelli might hang up the phone, but if he did, it would have been because he thought is was a prank call.

The Oil would happily take that trade (but it won't be on the
table)

[442scotty]

I don’t have a whole lot of faith in Treliving these days to actually acquire someone amazing in a trade or otherwise. I guess I’m in a “what have you done lately to impress me” state of mind

Now another problem may be on the horizon... what are the chances Gaudreau asks about the possibility of trading him to a team close to his home given the recent events. I know I would be asking if it were me

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by alcatrazhockey

I was listening to LoweTide/Oilers radio for kicks this morning, and they suggested that if BT offered up Dougie for RNH, the Oilers GM should just hang up the phone, "no way."

Now obviously EDM media/perception is horribly skewed and hilarious, but is RNH the kind of "elite level young centreman" you would accept in return? If not, who?

Hamilton is better than Larsson and they gave up Hall for him. If they think they are getting better than Hamilton for RNH they are dreaming

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Now another problem may be on the horizon... what are the chances Gaudreau asks about the possibility of trading him to a team close to his home given the recent events. I know I would be asking if it were me

How about we just don't speculate at all about the worst possible thing that could happen to our club, and instead devote our energy to wishing a speedy and complete recovery to his father, and pray for the comfort of his family.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How about we just don't speculate at all about the worst possible thing that could happen to our club, and instead devote our energy to wishing a speedy and complete recovery to his father, and pray for the comfort of his family.

And what if I pray for his family and talk about how moving back east may be in Johnny's plans at the same time?

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Umm. Freddie has been with the Coyotes since almost four months, and Dougie hasn't missed a beat since.

You seem to have missed quite a bit though.

Haha yeah i know. I threw it in as an example how Dougie is a Candy Ass on this team. You must be blind to all his F Ups is the Dzone?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And what if I pray for his family and talk about how moving back east may be in Johnny's plans at the same time?

I can't see Johnny doing that but lets say he did he still might not get his trade as it depends on how much a team like the Flyers are willing to pay and the price would be a lot. The Flames are not going to move their top player unless they get a huge return. A more realistic scenario would be the Gaudreau family moving to Calgary.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm of the opinion that the GM needs to find a new coach first and maybe discuss his opinion of players on the roster before doing anything knee jerk with this team. You look at the Hawks last season who won their division but lost in the first round and the knee jerk reaction to a first round exit was to trade Panarin to get Saad back which has turned into a disaster as one player has 34 points and the other 71 points and leading his team in scoring on their way to the playoffs. We all know how the Hawks season has turned out.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

If Hamilton was only 6'1" he wouldn't get the disrespect he does

Would I like to see him be meaner? Yes, obviously, but even without that, he's still an incredible defenseman.

Honestly if he was 6'1" he'd probably do better imo, he seems to get tangled up with himself a lot.

And for anyone who wants big, skilled, and mean, keep your eyes out for Nic Hague. The guy has been terrorizing the OHL this year and I think he'll be a threat on the VGK blueline for a very long time.

By 6'1" you mean 5'9" 186 lbs then you might mean the guy that took over Hamilton's role in Boston Torey Krug.

More pts (55) than Hamilton(43), 2 less goals, does the same amount of hitting, plays the same ice time (no significant PK time) and is paired with a 21 year old 2nd round pick. ie looks after Carlo rather than being looked after by Gio. Krug is 26,
You are right there is very little disrespect for Krug.

Krug is 2 years older than Hamilton and .5 M/year cheaper cap hit.

[Demetric]

so what are we getting for Brodie?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by alcatrazhockey

I was listening to LoweTide/Oilers radio for kicks this morning, and they suggested that if BT offered up Dougie for RNH, the Oilers GM should just hang up the phone, "no way."

Now obviously EDM media/perception is horribly skewed and hilarious, but is RNH the kind of "elite level young centreman" you would accept in return? If not, who?

Lowetide doesn't know hockey.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Demetric

so what are we getting for Brodie?

Ask Marc Bergevin

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Ask Marc Bergevin

Brendan Gallagher please

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I don’t have a whole lot of faith in Treliving these days to actually acquire someone amazing in a trade or otherwise. I guess I’m in a “what have you done lately to impress me” state of mind

Now another problem may be on the horizon... what are the chances Gaudreau asks about the possibility of trading him to a team close to his home given the recent events. I know I would be asking if it were me

Personally I think the Flames have the opportunity to handle this family situation in such a way that it could cement Johnny’s career in Calgary. The Flames could go over the top with how accommodating they are to the family and perhaps that would make Johnny extremely happy and grateful that he continues to love playing in Calgary?

I know the energy is negative and I am with some people on that but no need to worry about this as a sign Johnny needs to go back east.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't see Johnny doing that but lets say he did he still might not get his trade as it depends on how much a team like the Flyers are willing to pay and the price would be a lot. The Flames are not going to move their top player unless they get a huge return. A more realistic scenario would be the Gaudreau family moving to Calgary.

Well there is the whole immigration thing holding back that scenario. Not to mention extreme medical issues like this make that option a non-starter.