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dammage79 · 03-01-2018, 01:12 PM

Hartley did more with less. Hartley is the better coach. Give his team Smith and let's see what happens.

The debate aside, this team SHOULD be better. They aren't and the kind of hockey they play desnt bring people into the rink.

I had a ton of fun watching Hartley's Flames, it's was entertaining heart attack hockey. It was fun. It was exciting. It was nail biting.

This Gulutzan brand is lame. Players are apprehensive, not confident and generally outworked.

This has been as lame a season to watch as the last season under Brent. Where the most exciting thing was Brent kicking a trash can I'm a hallway after talking to Feaster.

Rollin22x · 03-01-2018, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

The 2015 Flames barely squeaked into the playoffs and won the first round series against a mediocre Canucks team that was ravaged by injuries. Was it overachievement? Yes, but not as much as some make it out to be.

I don't see a body of evidence that suggests that Hartley was a great coach.

I didn't think the Canucks were ravaged by injuries.
Their scratches for the 1st game was Burrows, Kassian, Kenins, Stanton and Vey. I kind of remember all of the usual suspects played through out the series which made it so much fun.

442scotty · 03-01-2018, 02:32 PM

The flames have some great players but they have the added pressure of having to carry a few guys who are not , or are no longer, NHL caliber. This is a big reason why the team is so up and down.

direwolf · 03-01-2018, 03:10 PM

I was listening to Boomer and Rhett this morning, and they completely tore into the Flames for their lack of resiliency, and I can't say I disagree with them. When Colorado tied it up, there was still half a game to play. Clearly more than enough time to mount a comeback, and yet the Flames just looked completely deflated and played like the game was over already when it was only 2-2.

They came out and played a much better 3rd, but I still didn't see the kind of desperation required to get themselves back into the game. I'm sure we were all hoping for some LA Kings-style push back from the Flames last night, but sadly it just didn't materialize.

Say what you want about Hartley's coaching, but that team had a ton of confidence and they didn't throw in the towel when bad things happened to them over the course of a game. What's weird though is that this is essentially the same core group of players with only a handful of new additions. There's no reason this team shouldn't be able to battle back when they get down a couple of goals.

The rigid system that this coaching staff employs doesn't seem to allow them to mount a proper attack when trailing. If the coach would just let the guys play, and maybe utilize his best players more when we desperately need goals, I'd bet we'd see a lot more comebacks and resiliency from this group. But Gulutzan just stubbornly continues to roll 4 lines, hoping for a miracle. I really don't understand some of his coaching decisions, especially when the momentum swings the other way, or when they're trailing.

dino7c · 03-01-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Hartley did more with less. Hartley is the better coach. Give his team Smith and let's see what happens.

The debate aside, this team SHOULD be better. They aren't and the kind of hockey they play desnt bring people into the rink.

I had a ton of fun watching Hartley's Flames, it's was entertaining heart attack hockey. It was fun. It was exciting. It was nail biting.

This Gulutzan brand is lame. Players are apprehensive, not confident and generally outworked.

This has been as lame a season to watch as the last season under Brent. Where the most exciting thing was Brent kicking a trash can I'm a hallway after talking to Feaster.

It's quite possible that neither is a good coach. One thing though "give his team Smith" yes Smith has been really good but the team save % is still bottom half of the league thanks to Lack/Rittich. Hartley had decent goal tending the one playoff season.

Hiller had a .918 that year Smith is .921 this season...Hartley had better backups. Hiller fell off the face of the earth the following season.

dissentowner · 03-01-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

What a wiener. It's no wonder why the team does not battle for him, he does not battle for them. But bravo for shoehorning street cred in there, coach.

So what you are saying is you dislike GG so much you will say something this ridiculous or you know the square root of F all about hockey. Which is it?

Saqe · 03-01-2018, 03:48 PM

I'd like to see a "player's coach" like Gallant or Sutter at the helm.

This group is playing under its capabilities.

GioforPM · 03-01-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

Yup GG has taken them to wildcard or just out of wildcard spots. Now its time to take the Flames to the division titles and winning playoff rounds. Honestly think AV is the next coach of the Flames.

I'm not a fire GG fanatic, but if AV comes available, I'd grab him. Also JQ or BS (if he wants to).

GioforPM · 03-01-2018, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

I'd like to see a "player's coach" like Gallant or Sutter at the helm.

This group is playing under its capabilities.

GG is considered a players coach. Sutter, not so much.

GioforPM · 03-01-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scary Eloranta

I wonder when fan apathy sets in. I'm pretty much there myself. Hard to get motivated to get down to the dome to watch these bums. I'm not sure any coach could turn these guys around - and I'm not sold on our prospects - especially our goalies!

Guess who was 3-3-1 and 2.48 GAA .909 save% his first year? Bishop.
Guess who went 13-11-1, 2.34 and .918? Hellebyuck.
Guess who was 13-27-6, 3.25 and .898? Fleury.

Infinit47 · 03-01-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollin22x

I didn't think the Canucks were ravaged by injuries.
Their scratches for the 1st game was Burrows, Kassian, Kenins, Stanton and Vey. I kind of remember all of the usual suspects played through out the series which made it so much fun.

Flames were also missing that Giordano guy.

VANFLAMESFAN · 03-01-2018, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

The 2015 Flames barely squeaked into the playoffs and won the first round series against a mediocre Canucks team that was ravaged by injuries. Was it overachievement? Yes, but not as much as some make it out to be.

I don't see a body of evidence that suggests that Hartley was a great coach.

Ravaged by injuries? Who was hurt? Miller was banged up and sat early in the series. That's all I can really remember. The same Miller that allowed goals in Game 6 i might add.

Flames were missing Giordano who up until the point of his injury was being talked up as being a potential Norris finalist or Top 5 D-Man.

redmile04 · 03-01-2018, 04:29 PM

Ravaged by injuries? Who was hurt?

NO ONE, it was a fake news post to back up his opinion, knowing it was right.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 03-01-2018, 04:38 PM

Whether you like or hate Glen Gulutzan, it doesn't change the fact that Hartley was absolutely terrible at all times and that firing him was the right decision. Who they should have hired afterwards that's up for debate.

But both of those points are moot. The question is what would fix this. Is there a Larry Robinson circa 2000 solution out there?

Rollin22x · 03-01-2018, 07:32 PM

It shouldn't be a debate of Hartley or Gulutzan. It should be about who's out there that can do this job properly.
The Flames looked like they were playing game 4 of the season. Listless and ho-hum

4X4 · 03-02-2018, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

So what you are saying is you dislike GG so much you will say something this ridiculous or you know the square root of F all about hockey. Which is it?

Lol. Some old hate bubbling up? Still dissen' me from your town? Fighting bad guys? Catching bunnies?

My dislike for GG exists. At least you solved that crime. And the reason it exists is because he is nowhere close to a coach that stands up for his guys. I'm not asking for Tortorella rage here, but to stand there and timidly talk about the time he got high sticked doesn't really scream "That was BS tonight!". He's the only coach I've ever heard of that got two penalties for beaking, without inspiring his team even a bit. But that's just my opinion, and as far as I can tell, this is a place where people get to voice their opinions.

Just like you posting your creepy opinions about why Aaron Dell's wife is with him.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=277

DeluxeMoustache · 03-02-2018, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Whether you like or hate Glen Gulutzan, it doesn't change the fact that Hartley was absolutely terrible at all times and that firing him was the right decision. Who they should have hired afterwards that's up for debate.

But both of those points are moot. The question is what would fix this. Is there a Larry Robinson circa 2000 solution out there?

Don’t agree on Hartley.

His first two years were blowing it up post Sutter, instilling an identity and his third year the team was electrifying, and overachieved.

The 4th year starts with the 3 headed goalie monster, frankly ridiculous on Treliving and pretty darn interruptive for the team in practices. Also acclimating Hamilton who struggled early while Gio started off after a major injury and Brodie was out (remember, he was very important then). They turned things around down the stretch until Ramo got hurt. Goaltending was atrocious otherwise.

Your presentation of Hartley as terrible at all times, noting that he won a Jack Adams for getting more out of a team than reasonably expected, is pretty far off base.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-02-2018, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not a fire GG fanatic, but if AV comes available, I'd grab him. Also JQ or BS (if he wants to).

Maybe I’m slow. BS?

Vigneault, Quenneville, ??

I am hoping that out of respect it is last name first ... Bowman, Scotty (?)

Goodlad · 03-02-2018, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Maybe I’m slow. BS?

Vigneault, Quenneville, ??

I am hoping that out of respect it is last name first ... Bowman, Scotty (?)

Brent Sutter, obviously

GioforPM · 03-02-2018, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Maybe I’m slow. BS?

Vigneault, Quenneville, ??

I am hoping that out of respect it is last name first ... Bowman, Scotty (?)

My bad, I meant DS. I suppose we could haul Brian Sutter out.

If they were all free to be hired my choices would be, in order:

Sutter
Babcock
Vignault/Quenneville
Cooper/Sullivan/Stevens
Trotz/Gallant