[Trade] PK Subban for Shea Weber. 1 for 1.

[saillias]

I imagine Alex Semin probably had something to do with that as well. One of the most polarizing players in the analytics debate. The numbers say he's useful. Montreal gave him a chance and then quickly ended that experiment.

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Who wouldn't want Weber on their team?

Nashville.

[cDnStealth]

Sportsnet did a 2 part interview with Subban a couple days ago.

Part 1

Part 2

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but either way when you consider he will be playing 40 fewer games in Quebec it's still around 3/4 of a million dollars in savings.

After looking harder I was mistaking jock tax for income tax. I was wrong

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Benched

lolz.

Analyst: 'Data doesn't back this play!'

*fired*

GM: "Looking for data that will support the way I see it! Send me resumes!"


...you're doing it wrong.

Hell with the analytics. Weber failed the eye test miserably in the playoffs as he was horrible. I know that's a small sample size but he's clearly a player on the decline and if the playoffs are an indication what the Habs will see on a regular basis this trade will be a total disaster for the franchise.

[Benched]

i agree. eye test I don't like the trade from MTL's perspective.


I think MTL is trying to 'build something special' out east....

[Locke]

Honestly, I think its all about the money.

Weber's contract is longer but a huge chunk of it has already been paid and his actual dollars back-dive hard at the tail end whereas PK is still owed a lot of money.

[dino7c]

Terrible hockey deal for the Habs

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Locke

Honestly, I think its all about the money.

Weber's contract is longer but a huge chunk of it has already been paid and his actual dollars back-dive hard at the tail end whereas PK is still owed a lot of money.

I think this is probably correct. Carey Price is who determines how far the Canadiens go, not Subban, and if you can swap Weber for Subban you probably won't be significantly downgrading for a few years, while better positioning yourself long term with money. Still a bad PR move for the Canadiens in the interim, but if they're winning again by mid-season next year most fans will be over it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think this is probably correct. Carey Price is who determines how far the Canadiens go, not Subban, and if you can swap Weber for Subban you probably won't be significantly downgrading for a few years, while better positioning yourself long term with money. Still a bad PR move for the Canadiens in the interim, but if they're winning again by mid-season next year most fans will be over it.

Very true, I mean in the end Weber isnt hot garbage, hes only 30. Okay, hes got a significant cap hit, but his actual wages are lower than PK's.

So PK gets to collect his cash at sweet, sweet Nashville tax rates, Weber already collected most of his cash at the same sweet, sweet tax rate.

I assume the plan for Montreal at some point is to trade Weber to a budget team that needs cap to hit the floor but wants to save cash on his wages.

Serriously, his cap hit is $7,857,142 but his actual salary in the last 5 years is $6M, $3M, $1M, $1M and $1M.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

if they're winning again by mid-season next year most fans will be over it.

this is the dumb part, assuming Price doesn't suffer another season ender, the Habs will be far, far ahead of where they were last season with him heroically stopping everything in sight. and then all the habs fans will come and be like see, we knew all along it was a character problem and now it's fixed and we're so much better!

[habernac]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...-subban-trade/

Former Montreal Canadiens analytics consultant Matt Pfeffer had the following statement regarding Sportsnet’s report Wednesday that he made an impassioned presentation to team management opposing the P.K. Subban trade to the Nashville Predators for defenceman Shea Weber.

“Prior to the trade, I submitted a report comparing both players. I made a passionate case in favour of P.K. Subban.

“There was never a meeting with management.

“Ultimately, this is the nature of this kind of work. Management makes their decision based on a variety of criteria. Their evaluation may have been different in this case, but there was consensus on other decisions through my time with the team.”

[sureLoss]

The analyst has made a statement following the sportsnet story

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...-subban-trade/

Former Montreal Canadiens analytics consultant Matt Pfeffer had the following statement regarding Sportsnet’s report Wednesday that he made an impassioned presentation to team management opposing the P.K. Subban trade to the Nashville Predators for defenceman Shea Weber.

“Prior to the trade, I submitted a report comparing both players. I made a passionate case in favour of P.K. Subban.

“There was never a meeting with management.

“Ultimately, this is the nature of this kind of work. Management makes their decision based on a variety of criteria. Their evaluation may have been different in this case, but there was consensus on other decisions through my time with the team.”

Pfeffer, 21, was hired as a consultant in the summer of 2015. He was informed Wednesday that his contract would not be renewed.

"The Canadiens treated me with the utmost respect," said Pfeffer. "They are a world class organization. I understand that they desired to go in a different direction. I was thankful to be a part of their team."

[CroFlames]

http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2...rs-Offer-Sheet

This is an interesting article. The Preds could be nailed with a $24 million dollar cap hit if Weber retires early.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2...rs-Offer-Sheet

This is an interesting article. The Preds could be nailed with a $24 million dollar cap hit if Weber retires early.

That Philadelphia, who made the contract offer signed by Weber, gets off scot-free doesn't seem right.

[puffnstuff]

Philly never paid any salary or got the benefit of the player playing for them, so why would they be penalized?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Philly never paid any salary or got the benefit of the player playing for them, so why would they be penalized?

Because that entire contract was a poison pill designed specifically to steal Shea Weber from the Predators.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Because that entire contract was a poison pill designed specifically to steal Shea Weber from the Predators.

Steal him or screw the Preds. Either way they win.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Steal him or screw the Preds. Either way they win.

Exactly - so I don't see how the NHL will logically let a contract that the Predators would never have signed of their own volition saddle the team with a $24M cap hit in one season.

This rule will be rewritten to exempt teams matching offer-sheets from cap circumvention. Guarantee it. Nashville is not going to be on the hook for that.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Exactly - so I don't see how the NHL will logically let a contract that the Predators would never have signed of their own volition saddle the team with a $24M cap hit in one season.

This rule will be rewritten to exempt teams matching offer-sheets from cap circumvention. Guarantee it. Nashville is not going to be on the hook for that.

But they did sign it they could have said go for it philly