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dammage79 · 05-01-2016, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i don't think this happens though.

Normally, i'd agree with the strategy, however, Treliving has publicly stated the Flames see two shelves: 1-3 and 4-6. If nothing happens on the ice to change that board, i don't think they move out of the 6 spots because they believe there's a talent drop off after the top 6

Yeah but whats their 4-6? Does it look exactly like the TSN ists? Is Logan Brown there? Mike McLeod? Jost? We don't know who is on their ledge 4-6.
Say they think thy can get their 4-6 gy at #10, thats where you would see them pull the trigger and move down.

And they've also clearly stated they'd be really happy with anyone on their top ten, both treliving and Burke have stated this. And they've been pretty open about trading down too. Bennett's draft year? They were pretty adamant they were't trading down.

ricardodw · 05-01-2016, 10:00 AM

If the Flames want Tkachuck or Dubois then they had better trade up a spot or 2.

How many big aggressive forwards with top line skills are available in any draft?

There are no freaks of nature d-men (Ekblad/Jones) that are likely to have an impact in the NHL this coming season... It seemed that Chrychrun had a chance to be that guy but he has fallen off in those rankings.

The top picks for D-men are littered with non-impact selections... Griffin Reinhart, Hayden Fluery, Morrissey, Morin

The top forwards selected are uniformly meeting the expectations....

Pretty sure that if Vancouver and/or Edmonton have their heart set on investing in a D-man they will have a lot of offers for Dubois/Tkachuck for picks within the top 10 where they will get one of the Sergachev, Juolevi or Chychrun to be put into their prospect pool.

If the Flames hang on to #6 and 4 and 5 are Tkachuck and Dubois, pretty sure that all the D-men will be available at #7.

The Flames have been getting near instant gratification with Monahan, Bennett and Hamilton with their #1 pick.... hard sell picking a d-man that likely won't have a NHL impact for at least 2 year and likely 3.

Erratik · 05-01-2016, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Let's also keep in mind that the Flames have a lot of picks in this draft. Like BT said, they are currency. It is possible that not only can we get a good player at 6 but possibly trade some of those picks to get another player in the top 15.

I have been hoping for this as well. If we get a 1st from Dallas, you think we can package it with both our 2nd rounders for a pick in the teens? Is there a team in that range that doesn't have a lot of picks this year and might be tempted?

The Fonz · 05-01-2016, 10:02 AM

I think that any talk/speculation that the Flames will trade down can probably stop. Treliving spoke to Haynes very recently and said that their scouts have outlined two ledges - 3 players in each. Holding the 6th pick guarantees we get a guy in that 2nd ledge.

Only scenario where we trade down is if it comes to our pick, and there are more than 1 of the players in our 2nd ledge still on the board. It's possible... but highly unlikely, assuming that 2 of the 3 in that ledge are Dubois + Tkachuk.

Gaskal · 05-01-2016, 10:04 AM

I think one of Tkachuk or Dubois will drop to us, unless Edmonton is really stupid and takes yet another forward. Also, Treliving will not seriously consider trading down unless he's on the clock and all the options are laid out for him.

dammage79 · 05-01-2016, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

I think that any talk/speculation that the Flames will trade down can probably stop. Treliving spoke to Haynes very recently and said that their scouts have outlined two ledges - 3 players in each. Holding the 6th pick guarantees we get a guy in that 2nd ledge.

Only scenario where we trade down is if it comes to our pick, and there are more than 1 of the players in our 2nd ledge still on the board. It's possible... but highly unlikely, assuming that 2 of the 3 in that ledge are Dubois + Tkachuk.

No, it doesn't probably need to stop. We do not know who's on their 2nd ledge. It's doesn't necessairly have the players the TSN lists or any other blogger list has. This circumstance can be looked at like the Jankowski trade down scenario, the Flames want more assets on top of their #1 guy, the moved down, got more assets and their #1 guy. Trading down should be talked about and on the table.

The Original FFIV · 05-01-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i don't think this happens though.

Normally, i'd agree with the strategy, however, Treliving has publicly stated the Flames see two shelves: 1-3 and 4-6. If nothing happens on the ice to change that board, i don't think they move out of the 6 spots because they believe there's a talent drop off after the top 6

Nm

Point Blank · 05-01-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

I think one of Tkachuk or Dubois will drop to us, unless Edmonton is really stupid and takes yet another forward. Also, Treliving will not seriously consider trading down unless he's on the clock and all the options are laid out for him.

I thought about that for a while but I think they will take Dubois or Tkachuk, they need a big forward. Defense they need help now, I'm guessing Chychrun will be their best bet but they might seek to get a d man via free agency

dammage79 · 05-01-2016, 10:07 AM

Flames writers' Mock Drafts!:
http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=112566

2x Tkachuk, 2x Nylander

gunnner · 05-01-2016, 10:07 AM

If the oilers dont take a dman, then the Flames should make a last second trade and swap picks with the canucks by giving them Jankowski. The Weisbrod troll must be fed! If the oilers take Juolevi or Chychrun then you stand pat.

Geeoff · 05-01-2016, 10:08 AM

Saw the cover of The Winnipeg Sun today and they're already calling Patrick Laine the new Finnish Flash. Gonna be tough for this kid to live up to expectations. He's immediately compared to the best Finnish player of all time and being measured up to possibly the best rookie season of all time before even being drafted.

Hockey · 05-01-2016, 10:09 AM

Canucks are taking either Dubois or Juolevi

Saqe · 05-01-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

I think one of Tkachuk or Dubois will drop to us, unless Edmonton is really stupid and takes yet another forward.

I think it's more probable that Edmonton trades that pick than uses it, especially now that it's outside the top three.

The Fonz · 05-01-2016, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

No, it doesn't probably need to stop. We do not know who's on their 2nd ledge. It's doesn't necessairly have the players the TSN lists or any other blogger list has. This circumstance can be looked at like the Jankowski trade down scenario, the Flames want more assets on top of their #1 guy, the moved down, got more assets and their #1 guy. Trading down should be talked about and on the table.

The 2012 draft was horrible, arguably the worst draft year in the last decade, and we were sitting at pick #14 that year, not #6. Not a very good comparable at all.

I have an extremely hard time believing that Dubois & Tkachuk are not in the Flames 2nd tier, and so the only way they trade down is if both of them are available, which I also have an extremely tough time believing.

oldschoolcalgary · 05-01-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah but whats their 4-6? Does it look exactly like the TSN ists? Is Logan Brown there? Mike McLeod? Jost? We don't know who is on their ledge 4-6.
Say they think thy can get their 4-6 gy at #10, thats where you would see them pull the trigger and move down.

And they've also clearly stated they'd be really happy with anyone on their top ten, both treliving and Burke have stated this. And they've been pretty open about trading down too. Bennett's draft year? They were pretty adamant they were't trading down.

that's true i suppose. its a question of confidence in the selection being there... if you are dropping 3 spots for a 2nd, maybe? but if you are making the same drop for a 3rd or 4th i'd pass.

anytime you drop, you'd better have a backup selection that you feel pretty good about...

dammage79 · 05-01-2016, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

The 2012 draft was horrible, arguably the worst draft year in the last decade, and we were sitting at pick #14 that year, not #6. Not a very good comparable at all.

I have an extremely hard time believing that Dubois & Tkachuk are not in the Flames 2nd tier, and so the only way they trade down is if both of them are available, which I also have an extremely tough time believing.

It's a perfectly fine comparable. I'm not comparing the players available or the pick ranking, I'm using that situation because their list clearly varied from the concensus, and thats with the very same scouting staff in charge.

The concensus would have had us take Olli Maata or TT at 14 (very comparable players to the 3 d men and Nylander). They were going to trade the pick until Janko came into their sights.

Geeoff · 05-01-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Par

I am sorry, just a little bit down, I spent a lot of time, watching Matthews and Fins highlights.

It looks like Sean Monahan, is having fun at the expense of the Leafs and Matthews, number 5 is funny LOL

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/t...ackets-oilers/

Isn't the Boring Sean Monahan Twitter account run by Brian McGrattan? Makes sense he would take a shot at the Leafs.

Lanny_McDonald · 05-01-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames writers' Mock Drafts!:
http://flames.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=112566

2x Tkachuk, 2x Nylander

I laughed out loud at this nugget about Nylander. "He can play a gritty, in-your-face game."

dammage79 · 05-01-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by New Era

I laughed out loud at this nugget about Nylander. "He can play a gritty, in-your-face game."

Yeah if the U-18's are the barometer for Nylanders grit, I'd probably look elsewhere. But I'm willing to be open minded about that though, as Nylander played a lot more hockey than he might be used to this year and may have been running on dead batteries. If that was a blip and he doesn't play like a fresh muffin, I'm fine taking him, but he was softer than room temp butter in that tourney.

Dr. Doom · 05-01-2016, 10:27 AM

I don't care much for Cox and most of this piece but his mock draft explanations make the most sense (I didn't read past pick 7 mind you):

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/d...sults-edition/

It has one or both of Dubois or Tkachuk slipping to us. Only question mark being the Canucks and whether they take a d-man... but they likely need a power forward just as much as D so I don't see them sleeping on Dubois either.