[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[nik-]

I wouldn't want to pay any of these proposed prices.

Not Backlund + 4 (that's insane)
Not Baertschi + 4
Not Granlund + 4

It's just not worth it to move from 4 to 1 in this draft, I'd rather we just take our good player at 4 and focus on moving up next year somehow.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

I doubt Florida would be interested. The problem with trading someone like Granlund right now is that his value isn't higher than his draft position was. However, he's shown to the Flames that he has a good chance of becoming an NHL player. Once he's proven himself at the NHL level, he begins to have more trade value.

With some prospects, you can trade high based on promise. To me Granlund is the opposite: he's probably better than teams around league think he is but he has yet to prove it.

His value is definitely higher now than his draft position. He had a good year in Finland where scouts would have seen him. Good World Juniors where scouts would have seen him. And now a great rookie year in the AHL where a lot of scouts, coaches, management would have seen him. Plus he played in the NHL where some scouts, coaches and management would have seen him.

His value has risen for sure. I think you're underrating it.

[PeteMoss]

Need to look at it terms of the players involved:

Backlund/Bennett or Draisaitl for Ekblad or Reinhart

Granlund/Bennett for Ekblad or Reinhart


When you actually spell out the players - the offers don't look that good. Particularly if the Oilers take Drasaitl and you are moving Bennett + Backlund for Ekblad.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

The problem with trading Backlund + 4 for Ekblad is now you didn't draft a centre and you're also trading one. From Florida's perspective, instead of drafting a defenceman, which you need, you're acquiring two centres, which you don't.

I think the Panthers have determined that they're not sold on Ekblad and they think another defenceman is going to end up being better and they're prepared to take that defenceman in the 7-10 range.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Ekblad doesn't fall to #4 like Jones.

I agree, I doubt Ekblad falls, but I don't remember anyone saying that Jones had the possibility of falling either.

Is Ekblad a better NHLer than Bennett/Draisaitl/Dal Colle? The answer is very uncertain and that's the reason why you don't make that trade.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Fire

I agree, I doubt Ekblad falls, but I don't remember anyone saying that Jones had the possibility of falling either.

Is Ekblad a better NHLer than Bennett/Draisaitl/Dal Colle? The answer is very uncertain and that's the reason why you don't make that trade.

The answer is uncertain among the publicly disseminated scouting services, but perhaps not by the Flames.

[Poe969]

All I'm saying is judging by the amount of times Burke personally scouted Ekblad and how much Burke likes big defensemen like him, I'm willing to bet the Flames will try to get that #1 pick.

[ForeverFlameFan]

The Flames are more likely to trade up rather than down.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Poe969

All I'm saying is judging by the amount of times Burke personally scouted Ekblad and how much Burke likes big defensemen like him, I'm willing to bet the Flames will try to get that #1 pick.

If it's being shopped 29 teams likely are trying to get it...what they'll pay is another story.

Here's a thought. who's better, Jones or Ekblad?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by T@T

If it's being shopped 29 teams likely are trying to get it...what they'll pay is another story.

Here's a thought. who's better, Jones or Ekblad?

Seth Jones is better. From what I've been reading, by quite a large amount too.

[the_only_turek_fan]

To move from #4 to #1, pick #34 would be sufficient.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by codynw

Seth Jones is better. From what I've been reading, by quite a large amount too.

Its not that big of a difference at all in my opinion. Ekblad is a grittier in my eyes and the talent level is fairly close.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

To move from #4 to #1, pick #34 would be sufficient.

They want a young player as well that is ready to play.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by T@T

If it's being shopped 29 teams likely are trying to get it...what they'll pay is another story.

Here's a thought. who's better, Jones or Ekblad?

A more pertinent question would be: who's better - Ekblad or Bennett?

Difficult to judge and I think I would prefer Bennett

(and to your question: Jones for sure)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

To move from #4 to #1, pick #34 would be sufficient.

If the flames had the top pick would you make the same trade?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the flames had the top pick would you make the same trade?

Let's put it another way...

Ekblad vs Bennett + Dougherty/Glover

I would rather have the latter.

And yes, if I were not totally sold on Ekblad, I would make that trade. I hope the Flames do not.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by nik-

I wouldn't want to pay any of these proposed prices.

Not Backlund + 4 (that's insane)
Not Baertschi + 4
Not Granlund + 4

It's just not worth it to move from 4 to 1 in this draft, I'd rather we just take our good player at 4 and focus on moving up next year somehow.

Baertschi and Backlund yes, but you wouldn't part with GRANLUD for the 1st overall? That's nuts.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Baertschi and Backlund yes, but you wouldn't part with GRANLUD for the 1st overall? That's nuts.

Granlund is a keeper IMO. And certainly not a piece to use in acquiring a pick three spots up form CGYs own. He's right in the mix for top prospect in the system at the moment.

[The Fonz]

All things considered.... I honestly believe we get the #1 pick this June.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

To move from #4 to #1, pick #34 would be sufficient.

History shows that this is correct. All this hogwash about including established NHL players (Russell) or legit young prospects (Baertschi or Granlund) to move up a mere three spots in the draft order is ridiculous IMO.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

They want a young player as well that is ready to play.

Well then they should be sending something back to us in return on top of the #1 overall pick to even things out.

EG. --> #1 for #4 + Granlund is an over payment by the Flames. They need to sweeten the pot by adding something like a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Even then that would be a dumb move by the Flames, because is going from Draisaitl or Bennett to Ekblad a big enough improvement to justify throwing away three years of development for Granlund just to start all over again with whoever we'd pick with that 2nd or 3rd rounder? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the flames had the top pick would you make the same trade?

Depends on how badly I wanted Ekblad or Reinhart. If I was just as happy taking Draisaitl or Bennett at #4 I would gladly make that trade to snag another prospect in the early 2nd round.

Again, history shows the price to move up a few spots is not as high as posters in this thread are indicating, and from all indications the drop off in prospect quality from #1 to #4 is not big enough (may not be a drop off at all actually) to justify trading a quality prospect or established NHL player in order to move up.