Bob Mckenzie: Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Flames were more or less held hostage in the situation, and getting 3 assets (2 x 2nd rounders and a so-so prospect) seemed satisfactory at the time, and considering how the 3 assets fit into the franchise's roadmap at the moment, think the trade looks pretty good, no?

Yeah, Feaster got caught with his pants down but really Backlund had already said that Tom wasn't going to sign with us, so he doesn't have any excuse.
and don't ask for a link, I'm not that good with google but I gave one at the time of the trade.

The trade didn't look good and the subsequent draft picks are different transactions.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The Erixon trade wasn't a win. You don't give up a first round pick with two solid years of development for two seconds and a so so prospect. The first round player is better. Would you trade our current 1st for that deal today?

As said I give credit to Burke for the Smid deal. Stempniak was ho hum.

Stempniak is a massive win, there is 0 doubt.
Erixon is a huge win from position of weakness.
Erixon is not better than anyone.

Burke has done nothing so far.

I know the pattern, everything that Feaster has done is bad.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Feaster gt a better package for Erixon than NYI got for Vanek. I think it was a pretty good deal, even without all the behind-the-scenes BS.

So Feaster is better than Snow. Do you want to hang your hat on that?

[theoforever]

The situation with Erixon was Sutter's doing.
His policy was not to offer contracts to 1st year players.
Feaster cleaned his mess once again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Feaster gt a better package for Erixon than NYI got for Vanek. I think it was a pretty good deal, even without all the behind-the-scenes BS.

are we really going to compare these two, happened years apart for one thing. One was a deal for a pending UFA and the other for a promising prospect


seriously

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And in a cap world, it isn't as true as it used to be

Yeah, look at all the cap space we got with the Regehr trade.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Stempniak is a massive win, there is 0 doubt.
Erixon is a huge win from position of weakness.
Erixon is not better than anyone.

Burke has done nothing so far.

I know the pattern, everything that Feaster has done is bad.

Flames could have really used langkow the year they traded him for Stempniak. Not saying it was not a good trade but massive win is a bit of an overstatement.


Erixon is a big win considering Feaster had no choice. But the reality is that if Erixon did not force Feasters hand then he would have been a flame. It's not like Feaster wanted to trade tom. Granted its still more of a Sutter mess that turned out well.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dino7c

are we really going to compare these two, happened years apart for one thing. One was a deal for a pending UFA and the other for a promising prospect


seriously

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So Feaster is better than Snow. Do you want to hang your hat on that?

No different than Vulcan comparing Erixon's deal to trading this years 1st for the same package.

I don't know how anyone can say that what Feaster got for Erixon wasn't a great trade. 2 2nd round picks and a mid-level prospect (who had some good showings as a Flame and was ultimately flipped for a reliable NHL defensman - also a Feaster deal no matter whether you think Burke helped or not, Feaster was GM) for a late-1st round dman that hadn't even played a game yet? Your head is in the sand if you don't think that was a good deal for the Flames.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

he was pretty bad.

when you look at the moves of trying to sign Richards and ROR, the returns on JayBo and Iggy...the failure to see that the Flames should have been starting the rebuild 2 years earlier, when there were plenty of people saying that?

People can say that "management tied his hands", but guess what? That's why he was a bad GM...you think the owners would not have listened to a Ken Holland or a lou lamoriello or any number of respected GMs if they told them the ship was listing?

Good GMs have ownership on their side because of their track records, because they make the right decisions and they get people to support those decisions.

I am fairly happy with his drafting (I don't mind the Jankowski pick either), but like you pointed it out, there were just too many attention grabbing debacles. It seemed like the day-to-day management was fine, but when something would go wrong, it would be bad.

The ROR situation and the miss queue with Boston/Iginla, were 2 instances that brought some unwanted attention to this team and made us look really disorganized. Feaster may not have been 100% to blame, but they sure exposed his lack of savvy and made the franchise look silly. I think Feaster lost too much rapport with his colleagues and would likely have trouble wheeling and dealing in the future (hard to get a fair shake when every other GM is trying to pull one over on you).

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I give Burke credit for Colborne and Smid. Those deals were just way to good for Feaster to have his hands on.

So everything you deem bad is Feaster's fault and everything you deem good is thanks to Burke? got it, thanks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MattyC

No different than Vulcan comparing Erixon's deal to trading this years 1st for the same package.

I don't know how anyone can say that what Feaster got for Erixon wasn't a great trade. 2 2nd round picks and a mid-level prospect (who had some good showings as a Flame and was ultimately flipped for a reliable NHL defensman - also a Feaster deal no matter whether you think Burke helped or not, Feaster was GM) for a late-1st round dman that hadn't even played a game yet? Your head is in the sand if you don't think that was a good deal for the Flames.

Erixon trade was good all things considered...just a really odd comparison

deals were what three years apart? one was a deadline deal for a UFA the other was for a highly ranked (at the time)

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Erixon trade was good all things considered...just a really odd comparison

deals were what three years apart? one was a deadline deal for a UFA the other was for a highly ranked (at the time)

As I said, I used it because Vulcan was using the fake scenario of trading this years 1st for 2 seconds and Horak to try and show it being a bad deal.

Erixon's deal will continue to be good until he proves that he is at least better than Wotherspoon, much less he and Granlund put together. Erixon is not better than anyone right now.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Jacks

So everything you deem bad is Feaster's fault and everything you deem good is thanks to Burke? got it, thanks.

I never said that but if it makes you feel smart, go for it. When Burke was brought on board, Feaster was as good as gone and probably didn't have any final say in much of anything.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I never said that but if it makes you feel smart, go for it. When Burke was brought on board, Feaster was as good as gone and probably didn't have any final say in much of anything.

But you did say that, you said that the deal was too good and therefore Feaster must not have been involved, it must have been Burke. You're just making up facts to support your position. Everything that we've been told shows that Burke spent the first part of his time doing a full evaluation of the organization, after he did his evaluation and presented his recommendations to ownership then Feaster was fired. There is nothing I've seen that shows he was secretly doing Feaster's job the whole time.

[JiriHrdina]

Wouldn't the Russel deal also be a clear win from Feaster?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Jacks

But you did say that, you said that the deal was too good and therefore Feaster must not have been involved, it must have been Burke. You're just making up facts to support your position. Everything that we've been told shows that Burke spent the first part of his time doing a full evaluation of the organization, after he did his evaluation and presented his recommendations to ownership then Feaster was fired. There is nothing I've seen that shows he was secretly doing Feaster's job the whole time.

Well considering the only deal he won before Burke came, was acquiring Cammallari, and even than we got smaller, it's kind of hard to see him finally winning one without outside input.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jacks

But you did say that, you said that the deal was too good and therefore Feaster must not have been involved, it must have been Burke. You're just making up facts to support your position. Everything that we've been told shows that Burke spent the first part of his time doing a full evaluation of the organization, after he did his evaluation and presented his recommendations to ownership then Feaster was fired. There is nothing I've seen that shows he was secretly doing Feaster's job the whole time.

Just like the draft successes should be credited to the scouts, except for janko cause clearly that bust was all on feaster and weisbrod!

Seriously though, insert dead horse gif here. Feasters was mediocre at best, some good, some bad, some ugly, but he's gone let's move on. No need to cut him down or build him up. And let's not try to judge Burke yet as he has done very little so far

[nik-]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Just like the draft successes should be credited to the scouts, except for janko cause clearly that bust was all on feaster and weisbrod!

Seriously though, insert dead horse gif here. Feasters was mediocre at best, some good, some bad, some ugly, but he's gone let's move on. No need to cut him down or build him up. And let's not try to judge Burke yet as he has done very little so far

This thread is inherently about Feaster's trading. What do you expect to happen in this thread?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

This thread is inherently about Feaster's trading. What do you expect to happen in this thread?

Well it's actually about a rumor about sin thing that happened a year ago....

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Wouldn't the Russel deal also be a clear win from Feaster?

Russel had become a superfluous player in St. Louis and had been put on waivers for free IIRC. St. Louis pawned him off to us as we are so bad, Russel wouldn't come back to haunt them. Top teams often do this with okay players who aren't good enough for their team. In other words because we're terrible, we get the odd decent deal.