[News] Flames claim Joey MacDonald

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Someone on Hfboards did something like this with dman drafted in the top 5 going back to JBo and came to the same conclusion that its not worth drafting dman high either compared to forwards. Some of the names were Jbo, Barker, E. Johnson and J. Johnson. I think it was an argument against taking Seth Jones over guys like Mckinnon and Drouin.

though i agree with the argument for the most part, something about jones skating, and more importantly size, makes him extremely intriguiing.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Zamboniman

There is another explanation for why Feaster made this decision:

Feaster isn't the one who made this decision.


There's been an odor of ownership meddling in hockey decisions pungently surrounding this team for a while now.

What is the reason for ownership wanting Macdonald here?

And what kind of crappy GM is Feaster if he takes the blame for moves he doesn't want to make?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Someone on Hfboards did something like this with dman drafted in the top 5 going back to JBo and came to the same conclusion that its not worth drafting dman high either compared to forwards. Some of the names were Jbo, Barker, E. Johnson and J. Johnson. I think it was an argument against taking Seth Jones over guys like Mckinnon and Drouin.

Do you mean this?...

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Calgary's experience is irrelevant. Also, we have been talking about lottery picks, not first rounders (different conversation).

Here are the players taken top 3 since 2000 by position (C F D G):

Spezza.....Heatley......Bouwmeester...DiPietro
Svitov......Gaborik......Barker.............Lehton en
Staal E.....Kovalchuk..Johnson J........Fleury
Horton.....Nash.........Johnson E
Malkin.....Ovechkin....Doughty
Crosby.....Ryan.........Bogosian
Staal J.....Kane.........Hedman
Toews.....JVR...........Gudbranson
Turris......Hall...........Murray
Stamkos..Landeskog
Tavares...Yakupov
Duchene
Seguin
RNH
Huberdeau
Galchenyuk

Out of 16 Cs, one failure (Russian!) and one or two guys that aren't first liners.

Out of the forwards, no misses.

Out of the D, one star and 3 or 4 top pair guys, but other than Doughty, any of them could be easily replaced with a UFA.

Goalies - don't even think about it!

IMO, there is no contest. If you have a lottery pick, you go with the forward - preferably a C.

[magicpixels]

What a good laugh. Brossoit is the heir to our goaltending...

Whatever happened to the 2007 WHL playoff MVP??

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

though i agree with the argument for the most part, something about jones skating, and more importantly size, makes him extremely intriguiing.

His strengths are the same as Jbo. Seth isn't that physical and models his game after Lidstrom. I think I would still take Mckinnon or Drouin before him.

[kyuss275]

Millions and Francis on TV seem very puzzled about the move. They said Feaster would not address the media until 10 am tomorrow. They made it sound like Kipper was very close to coming back. He was trying to get clearance to play Wednesday. I would think at the most he might be ready by Sunday.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Do you mean this?...

No but that basically achieves the same thing as this other guy did.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Mccree

Is that just a function of there being less goalie and defenseman positions available. More forwards needed so more get drafted therefore more likely to find a forward that is good?

No its more the fact that forwards are easier to project. Goalies and D man take much longer to develop and are more of a mystery in terms of the hockey IQ they have to develop. At one point people thought Hedman and Taveres was a tossup and that Phaneuf and Jbo would be stars in the league for yrs. Its just harder to predict how a dman will pan out imo no matter his physical skill set.

[really?]

Originally Posted by jg13

So they give Irving 2 starts decide he's not good enough and plan on getting rid of him by signing Macdonald?

If only they were that cut throat with Comeau.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Craig Anderson, J. S. Giguere, D. Roloson, now perhaps L. Irving. All teams miss on prospects, but the best teams give their prospects all possible opportunities to excel before giving up on them. Maybe its the nature of the market, but the Flames seem to be more of the mindset that a prospect has to either come with a significant pedigree or simply WOW to survive organizational banishment.

The short sighted commitment to experienced, albeit mediocre, players has produced a predictable return. The Flames are the very definition of mediocrity. Present management needs to change course, or a change of course will be required.

[bubbsy]

is anyone else annoyed at the flames/heat for not giving irving playing time in abbotsford?

it just seems flat out dumb to not play your first round pick goalie in the minors, knowing when you don't have a backup, to then hand the guy the backup job in the NHL.

like i'd love to hear the justification from the organization on that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Psytic

No its more the fact that forwards are easier to project. Goalies and D man take much longer to develop and are more of a mystery in terms of the hockey IQ they have to develop. At one point people thought Hedman and Taveres was a tossup and that Phaneuf and Jbo would be stars in the league for yrs. Its just harder to predict how a dman will pan out imo no matter his physical skill set.

Exactly.

Also, top pairing defensemen are easier to acquire via trade or free agency than top Cs.

I am taking the forward every time I have a lottery pick

[magicpixels]

I think Flames' management knows unless our goalie is a god we are screwd so why mess around with mediocrity.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

is anyone else annoyed at the flames/heat for not giving irving playing time in abbotsford?

it just seems flat out dumb to not play your first round pick goalie in the minors, knowing when you don't have a backup, to then hand the guy the backup job in the NHL.

like i'd love to hear the justification from the organization on that.

I'm annoyed at the awful job the organization does in developing players in general. As others have noted, ownership seems to have a fetish for playing aging, mediocre players over prospects. Frankly I'm getting tired of it. I can't stick up for the organization any more. They seem to be clueless as to how to develop a winning, talented team for the long term.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Millions and Francis on TV seem very puzzled about the move. They said Feaster would not address the media until 10 am tomorrow.

What is the reasoning behind this, perhaps not wanting to destroy the confidence of Irving before he is sent down?

[Ashasx]

wrong thread

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

I think Flames' management knows unless our goalie is a god we are screwd so why mess around with mediocrity.

I don't know, which is why I don't get why they would bother with Macdonald.

[Psytic]

What if Kipper + someone on the roster is being traded.

[blender]

Haven't read thhe whole thread, so I might be missing something, but isn't this just a prudent move to have another NHL-ready goalie at hand in case Kipper is hurt worse than thought, or Irving can't sustain his level of play,

I don't see it as a big deal or any sure sign of mismanagement or nefarious behind the scenes ownership meddling.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Psytic

lmao maybe you should go look.... just saying.

I knew the answer without looking. Maybe you should look so you'll find out you're wrong.

[LIP MAN]

Originally Posted by Psytic

What if Kipper + someone on the roster is being traded.

The more I play this scenario in my head, the more I find that this must be what it is. Of course, we're probably off (Kipper injury) but you never know. What do you think he'd fetch us? I think a first, third plus a middle tier prospect IMHO.