It's also why they are big Israel supporters. Not because they like Israel or think that a Jewish-state should exist, but because it will bring about armageddon. Yay!!!
Dumbasses
One of the reasons I don't want another right wing religious nut in the White House.
One of the reasons I don't want another right wing religious nut in the White House.
Thankfully, it looks like everywhere is attempting to move away from this, including places like the middle east that have always been dipped in theocracies.
Edit - Another interesting thing is that member of the Family Radio board who said they hoped Camping didn't announce any other predictions and that they could just recover from this and now Camping has thrown a second date out again.
I have to imagine Camping will be done with Family Radio pretty quick.
The 'Rapture' DID come - and now the world may end on OCTOBER 21 instead: Preacher breaks his silence on 'interesting' weekend with bizarre new theory
I personally hope Camping survives another 5 months to see Oct. 21st come and go and have to explain that one as well. He's actually made 12 failed predictions of the end of the world since the 1970s though, so I guess he's used to this.
Personally, I do well with deadlines but I can see why organized religion wouldn't.
Little things like accountability and results can be a real headache in The Rapture prediction business.
Then again, he was able to raise and spend $100 million after 12 failed predictions earlier so that might be confirmation right there of a certain persistent gullability among fans of organized religion.
Great example of grassroots marketing.
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Wow, it turns out that the EzekielThreeThirty3 guy who was making the countdown videos on Youtube was actually a guerilla documentary filmmaker and along with his other filmmaker, a Canadian girl, were actually using the opportunity to document the final days with Camping and his followers with direct access that others wouldn't have.
When you go back and watch all the videos in context, it begins to make sense now how they are structured, why the music plays in certain parts, how they are cut and edited, and why many of the segments do nothing to hide the zaniness of some of the followers in this organization.
Great job to this guy. He didn't make these videos with malicious intent, but rather to document the movement and Camping himself. I love the fact that the filmmakers are so knowledgeable and respectful with the material and are able to intelligently rebut and give an explanation for why such things happen. They are atheists but have a firmer grasp of the Bible and theology than Camping himself does. Zeke's explanation for Camping's behavior and pattern of reasoning is perfect - that Camping had raised his exegesis to the point of scripture and that examining books of the Bible in the entire context of the Bible actually takes the book out of context immediately.
This guy should win an award if not for the fact that some of his videos may have unwittingly played a part in spreading Camping's message, causing harm to those who believed in it.
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The hilarious part is that most of the people who believe in Camping are now convinced that God sealed his chosen ones after May 21st and now salvation is nolonger possible. This is great news because it means the very beliefs of the cult means they aren't allowed to get any new followers!
I don't have any responsibility. I don't have responsibility for anybody's life. I only teach what the Bible says ... We at Family Radio never tell anyone what they should do with their possessions ... That's totally between them and God. They should have relied on God and not me ... Family Radio is not in the business of financial advice ... They should turn to God and pray.
^^^ Cant feel sorry for those who gave up their life, even if they were 'tricked'. If you cant knock two brain cells together to figure out how fake this is, that's your own fault.
But they way he answers the questions, I am beginning to think more and more he is a con artist, and not just a delusional fundamentalist.
For your morning amusement, the snippet below is PART of the conclusion of a VERY, VERY long e-mail earlier today from some guy named Mark Bander out in the Ottawa area who had been also talking about coming earthquakes and innundations but ends in this fashion . . . . although, unlike Camping, wisely does not put a date on the end of the world.
Post Script By Mark Brander My friends, please take the above warnings to heart. The truth is, and the facts are, that UFO’s are being filmed in the skies above all nations on a weekly, if not daily basis. It is not being reported by the media. The financial elite/Satanic New World Order, control all media companies and also control most world leaders and their military's. Hundreds of former military from many nations have testified about secret military and alien co-operation. It is an evil and unholy alliance, do not make any mistake about it. Many humans are being abducted, experimented upon, and implanted with mind control technology and do not have a clue that it has even happened. View these recently released YouTube videos, http://www.youtube.com/user/Hismailservice?feature=mhsn they help to demonstrate the truth of what you are reading here and also what you will read at www.prophecies.org about Revelation 12.
Many millions have abandoned the teachings of Jesus to believe in new age doctrines and meditation techniques that purport to help you achieve ascension and Christ Consciousness. It is all a bunch of metaphysical mumbo jumbo that is going to lead many straight into the pits of hell. All of these doctrines have one thing in common, and believe me I do know, I have read every New Age /Metaphysical book and doctrine out there. They all ignore the subject of hell, evry single one of them. That is how you can tell they are of Satanic origin. Satan does not talk about hell to those he is deceiving into going there. I ran from all new age doctrines after I read the testimonies of dozens of people who have been shown by Jesus that hell is indeed, very real. Look some of the testimonies up, they will frighten you, and they will scare you! Many testimonies can be found at www.spiritlessons.com Crop circles are a ruse and deception by the greys/reptilians to convince people that benevolent alien races are here to help the planet ascend to a higher consciousness. It is complete nonsense do not believe it for one minute. They even had the nerve to create a crop circle depicting the face of a Grey! Look it up.
Jesus is going to allow the false rapture/alien invasion to take place as a judgment on those who reject His Gospel and His Ten Commandments. I have had several prophetic dreams similar to what Susan saw in her vision. In my research I have found that God has given similar dreams to many others as well. Unfortunately I saw that many young people were boarding the spacecraft. They will be deceived in great numbers as they are possessed with multitudes of demons from participating in violent video games, listening to pornographic and violent music, and also entertaining themselves with violence and perversion on TV and at the movies. When you are possessed by demons you are unable to hear and to know the truth. Most Christians will not be able to be saved because their belief systems have been corrupted beyond repair by false doctrines. They have been told that their salvation is guaranteed by the Blood of Jesus, that He died for their sins, and that they are saved by His Grace alone, and not by works. Just believe in Jesus they are told, and you are saved, and in most cases as well they are also told, “you will be raptured out of the tribulation” because of your belief in Jesus. Christians hear these mantras over and over and again, and come to believe them without question. Without any questions or considerations whatsoever to see if it lines up with the Gospel of Jesus.
Watching television programming containing violence, perversion and satanic music is accepted as normal to Christians. They do not realize they are becoming infested with demons as they do so, after all, the preachers are doing the same thing. Jesus made it clear that thinking about committing adultery, and actually committing adultery, were one and the same. Who then, could possibly even begin to argue, that watching violence and perversion, playing violent video games, and listening to demonic music is okay with Jesus? Jesus warned of the ‘wolves in sheep clothing’ and they are everywhere. Make no mistake about it, ‘sheep’s clothing,’ is a degree from a Bible University, a title of reverend or pastor, a church and congregation, and a bible and a pulpit. Satan is going to perform many counterfeit miracles in the churches, do not be deceived, Jesus is not in the Churches! He is not in them. The preachers are teaching twisted doctrines they were fed in Universities that are funded and ultimately controlled by the Satanic New World Order. Christianity was infiltrated with great success by the Satanists as far back as the forties.
If you want to be saved you must repent before Jesus and ask Him to forgive you for being a sinner.
So, there you go. Awesome!!
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^^^ Exactly, this group, or at least the group of fundamentalists that partake in different versions of silliness like this is far bigger and more powerful than people want to admit.
Some Christians get mad when Cheese constantly puts up threads about the wacky religious right. Some cry loudly it isn't them, and don't paint us all with one brush, but still churn their own illogical nonsense and bigotry in their arguments when Thor and Photon challenge their thoughts and 'facts'.
But even the business community sees it. The rest of us, we see Gingrich and Palin, and Huckabee and go, 'oh dear god, there are people out there that would vote for these guys? They can actually get on TV, destroy history and logic, and achievements of the human race, and there is a large group of people that applaud them for it? Or at least think there is an argument behind all their superstitious speeches? They loudly decry knowledge either through sheer delusions of their own, or worse through political scheming for votes and they get elected?'
Right wing religious fundamentalism is a serious force in North America. In the world. And for all of those that say it's not part of their political party, or it doesn't paint them I ask them to open their eyes and really take a look around. And then, even if you still don't believe it's a problem, at least understand when some of us get so worked up about it.
This is a problem. And if your not speaking out against it (like so many moderate-fundamental Muslims in the middle of their problem right now) then you are a part of it.
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The guy that says that 97 percent of humanity will be swallowed up in a swirling abyss of molten lava on a specific date is bitshat crazy, but the guy who says 97 percent of humanity will be swallowed up in a swirling abyss of molten lava POSSIBLY ANY MINUTE NOW is a rational, informed Bible scholar?
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^^^ Exactly, this group, or at least the group of fundamentalists that partake in different versions of silliness like this is far bigger and more powerful than people want to admit.
Some Christians get mad when Cheese constantly puts up threads about the wacky religious right. Some cry loudly it isn't them, and don't paint us all with one brush, but still churn their own illogical nonsense and bigotry in their arguments when Thor and Photon challenge their thoughts and 'facts'.
But even the business community sees it. The rest of us, we see Gingrich and Palin, and Huckabee and go, 'oh dear god, there are people out there that would vote for these guys? They can actually get on TV, destroy history and logic, and achievements of the human race, and there is a large group of people that applaud them for it? Or at least think there is an argument behind all their superstitious speeches? They loudly decry knowledge either through sheer delusions of their own, or worse through political scheming for votes and they get elected?'
Right wing religious fundamentalism is a serious force in North America. In the world. And for all of those that say it's not part of their political party, or it doesn't paint them I ask them to open their eyes and really take a look around. And then, even if you still don't believe it's a problem, at least understand when some of us get so worked up about it.
This is a problem. And if your not speaking out against it (like so many moderate-fundamental Muslims in the middle of their problem right now) then you are a part of it.
While I agree with you 110 percent, I just wanted to add, that although the right wing nutjobs are absolutely crazy, and personally I can't stand any form of organized religion, I don't think that's a reason to automatically associate oneself with 'The Left' or a different political afflilation. Sometimes we settle simply for what we hate the least, and when it comes down to it, politicians of any sort have all kinds of skeletons, whether they are all ****ed up on drugs/alcohol and prostitution or whether they are all ****ed up on Jesus Christ, or both.
I have a friend who is constantly berating every single Republican figure in the United States, and while I agree with pretty much everything he says, he never has a logical alternative. He spends so much time hating the Right, that he doesn't know a thing about the platform of The Left. Maybe it's true that 'The Left' is simply a lesser evil.
I personally hate all religion, all political parties and mistrust most politicians equally.
^^^ Exactly, this group, or at least the group of fundamentalists that partake in different versions of silliness like this is far bigger and more powerful than people want to admit.
Some Christians get mad when Cheese constantly puts up threads about the wacky religious right. Some cry loudly it isn't them, and don't paint us all with one brush, but still churn their own illogical nonsense and bigotry in their arguments when Thor and Photon challenge their thoughts and 'facts'.
But even the business community sees it. The rest of us, we see Gingrich and Palin, and Huckabee and go, 'oh dear god, there are people out there that would vote for these guys? They can actually get on TV, destroy history and logic, and achievements of the human race, and there is a large group of people that applaud them for it? Or at least think there is an argument behind all their superstitious speeches? They loudly decry knowledge either through sheer delusions of their own, or worse through political scheming for votes and they get elected?'
Right wing religious fundamentalism is a serious force in North America. In the world. And for all of those that say it's not part of their political party, or it doesn't paint them I ask them to open their eyes and really take a look around. And then, even if you still don't believe it's a problem, at least understand when some of us get so worked up about it.
This is a problem. And if your not speaking out against it (like so many moderate-fundamental Muslims in the middle of their problem right now) then you are a part of it.
What utter nonsense! Harold Camping has no association with Gingrich, Palin, and Huckabee. He is a cult leader which was rejected by all the main stream christian sects long ago.
All 3 of those conservative leaders gained their popularity through their governance; not through their religion. Huckabee and Palin were both popular Governors and Gingrich had his contract with America while he was speaker of the House.
Every American President has claimed association with some Christian sect. Obama is the only one I can think of who belonged to a cult. Clinton and Carter were Baptists like Huckabee. Reagan was a strong Catholic. Bush a Methodist. They were all something.
Harold Camping's ministry has all of the hallmarks of a cult. They see themselves as exclusively saved. Their salvation is one of works. They can lose it at any time if they turn away from the cult. They follow one central leader to the exclusion of all others. Harold Camping also appears to claim some exclusive revelation from the Lord.
Look at the history of the Jehovah witnesses or the Seven Day Adventists (with their investigatve judgement) and you will find parallels to Harold Camping's history.
Harold Camping's ministry is proof that the atheist's are wrong. Religion isn't dying out at all. We are witnessing the rising of a new Cult that like the ones before it will stuggle at first and then begin to grow rapidly after the death of their founder. Nothing to see here folks. Certainly not a brush you can fairly paint every Republican candidate with.
^^^ Exactly, this group, or at least the group of fundamentalists that partake in different versions of silliness like this is far bigger and more powerful than people want to admit.
Some Christians get mad when Cheese constantly puts up threads about the wacky religious right. Some cry loudly it isn't them, and don't paint us all with one brush, but still churn their own illogical nonsense and bigotry in their arguments when Thor and Photon challenge their thoughts and 'facts'.
But even the business community sees it. The rest of us, we see Gingrich and Palin, and Huckabee and go, 'oh dear god, there are people out there that would vote for these guys? They can actually get on TV, destroy history and logic, and achievements of the human race, and there is a large group of people that applaud them for it? Or at least think there is an argument behind all their superstitious speeches? They loudly decry knowledge either through sheer delusions of their own, or worse through political scheming for votes and they get elected?'
Right wing religious fundamentalism is a serious force in North America. In the world. And for all of those that say it's not part of their political party, or it doesn't paint them I ask them to open their eyes and really take a look around. And then, even if you still don't believe it's a problem, at least understand when some of us get so worked up about it.
This is a problem. And if your not speaking out against it (like so many moderate-fundamental Muslims in the middle of their problem right now) then you are a part of it.
Seems just like left wing spin. Every president has been some denomination of Christian, and I suspect that if a presidential candidate were to openly campaign as an atheist, he wouldn't get elected. You can't simply pick and choose here as this is not a left or right wing issue. Your post is baseless drivel.
Camping's organization isn't mainstream for sure, but his teachings still fit with a lot of people. Not the specific day, but "soon".
EDIT: These are for Christ returning by the year 2050.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't think Camping represents even the most evangelical groups, I'm not trying to say that Camping is representative of evangelicals, just that the difference with respect to "the end" is only in degree.
And it's not atheists that claim religion is dying, it's the statistics that show religion is on the decline. An overall trend does not preclude variations within the whole.
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Camping's organization isn't mainstream for sure, but his teachings still fit with a lot of people. Not the specific day, but "soon".
EDIT: These are for Christ returning by the year 2050.
The second coming of Christ and the Rapture are long standing Christian doctrines. Harold Camping has taken that ball and added to it. He has made himself the only path to God. Don't pretend it is all the same.
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And it's not atheists that claim religion is dying, it's the statistics that show religion is on the decline. An overall trend does not preclude variations within the whole.
Yes but, you atheists quote those statistics gleefully and think the end of it will be the rejection of all religion. Your making the same mistake as the global warming crowd and assuming that this is the only time such a thing has happened and it won't reverse itself. Voltaire infamously once predicted the demise of Christianity within 50 years. 50 years later his own printing works were producing Bibles.
