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Old 08-03-2022, 09:01 AM   #4361
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So roster is finally starting to take form.

Still hoping Brad can swing a deal or two to acquire a top six forward and maybe Nicolas Roy.

Run with this :

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Konecny
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Roy
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis

Hanifin-Anderson
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I really like that roster, maybe even more than last season.
Well except for the fact you have Konecny.
How are we getting him, and where’s Monahan?
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:01 AM   #4362
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:04 AM   #4363
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Well except for the fact you have Konecny.
How are we getting him, and where’s Monahan?
I forgot Toffoli also..

But yeah I think Monahan is done unfortunately.
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:05 AM   #4364
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I can assure you he’s not “done” so you’ll have to figure out how you’re removing his cap lol.
And what we’re using to acquire Konecny as it won’t be cheap.

But yea , missing Toffoli and Dube.
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:27 AM   #4365
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I forgot Toffoli also..



But yeah I think Monahan is done unfortunately.
Anyone else get the gut feeling Monahan gets some PP time with the new Johnny hockey and pumps his stats for a mid season trade, or gets his confidence back so he can be a positive addition to the team?

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Old 08-03-2022, 09:29 AM   #4366
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I don't think confidence is the biggest issue or what is holding him back.
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Even if Monahan can become a 20 goal 50 point guy again the Flames will be in decent shape.
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:35 AM   #4368
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Anyone else get the gut feeling Monahan gets some PP time with the new Johnny hockey and pumps his stats for a mid season trade, or gets his confidence back so he can be a positive addition to the team?

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He’ll get all the chances, not just for trade, the team needs him

Question is who is the real Monahan? At this point, it’s the guy in the last 2 yrs until he proves otherwise
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Old 08-03-2022, 10:50 AM   #4369
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Even if Monahan can become a 20 goal 50 point guy again the Flames will be in decent shape.
Probably not going to happen
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:08 AM   #4370
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Anyone else get the gut feeling Monahan gets some PP time with the new Johnny hockey and pumps his stats for a mid season trade, or gets his confidence back so he can be a positive addition to the team?

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I would give him 2nd pp time. Mangiapane deserves to be on the 1st pp unit.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:14 AM   #4371
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Probably not going to happen

Let's hope his injury rehab goes well. But I think you're right. Monahans days of being a consistent 20 goal guy are probably over.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:16 AM   #4372
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Probably not going to happen
Of course no one, even Monahan knows. Just remember Seattle let Tarasenko slide because he was injured for 2 years on/off and his future didn't look very bright either.

Just saying if some here can hope we sign Kadri then it's okay to think Monahan could do a couple of things he was good at before.

He scored 23 before JG played
He became a decent face off guy his last couple seasons
If if hips??? work properly, will his killer in tight shot return?
He was so like every one else on the team improving his 200 foot game big time.

He wasn't a skater before however neither is Toffoli and we can expect Toffoli to shoot a few times.

One season left under contract and he's playing for another one some where some how. I wouldn't write him off just yet. He'll get one more kick and sink or swim him self.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:31 AM   #4373
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Of course no one, even Monahan knows. Just remember Seattle let Tarasenko slide because he was injured for 2 years on/off and his future didn't look very bright either.

Just saying if some here can hope we sign Kadri then it's okay to think Monahan could do a couple of things he was good at before.

He scored 23 before JG played
He became a decent face off guy his last couple seasons
If if hips??? work properly, will his killer in tight shot return?
He was so like every one else on the team improving his 200 foot game big time.

He wasn't a skater before however neither is Toffoli and we can expect Toffoli to shoot a few times.

One season left under contract and he's playing for another one some where some how. I wouldn't write him off just yet. He'll get one more kick and sink or swim him self.
I think it is a safer bet that one of Dube / Ruzicka / Pelltier becomes a 20 goal scorer than Monahan does next season.

My biggest problem with Monahan's game last season was that his line couldn't get the puck back from the opposition. As soon as Monahan's line got possession they would dump the puck in and go off on a change. There were several factors contributing to it, one of them was that Monahan had a hard time coming up with the puck in board battles. The other was an inability to disrupt the opposition's cycle in his own zone, and missing assignments as a result. His +/- reflects that, and a lot of it had to do with how he thinks the game rather than his physical ability.

Sutter tried sheltering Monahan, he tried playing him with good wingers, but Monahan's line was a liability for most of last season. I don't expect it to change, but I really wish Monahan gets fully healthy and stays healthy and successful regardless of his on-ice contribution.
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I think it is a safer bet that one of Dube / Ruzicka / Pelltier becomes a 20 goal scorer than Monahan does next season.

My biggest problem with Monahan's game last season was that his line couldn't get the puck back from the opposition. As soon as Monahan's line got possession they would dump the puck in and go off on a change. There were several factors contributing to it, one of them was that Monahan had a hard time coming up with the puck in board battles. The other was an inability to disrupt the opposition's cycle in his own zone, and missing assignments as a result. His +/- reflects that, and a lot of it had to do with how he thinks the game rather than his physical ability.

Sutter tried sheltering Monahan, he tried playing him with good wingers, but Monahan's line was a liability for most of last season. I don't expect it to change, but I really wish Monahan gets fully healthy and stays healthy and successful regardless of his on-ice contribution.

Monny probably knows himself he is looking at pto’s next year if he gets hurt or has a poor year. Tough to trade him if he’s healthy and playing poorly.

I wonder however if their is some discussions in management about completely outing the last core?
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Let's hope his injury rehab goes well. But I think you're right. Monahans days of being a consistent 20 goal guy are probably over.
His days of being an NHLer may be over.
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Old 08-03-2022, 11:52 AM   #4376
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I don't think confidence is the biggest issue or what is holding him back.
Skating is. Other than Lucic he’s the worst skater on the team. Lucic might even be faster in a straight line.

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Old 08-03-2022, 12:04 PM   #4377
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Skating is. Other than Lucic he’s the worst skater on the team. Lucic might even be faster in a straight line.
2 hip surgeries where he has had, and will continue to have to, adapt how he skates. Back surgery which also hampered his ability to move around the ice and wrist surgery which has hurt his shot and passing.

Surgeries to repair such injuries can return a person to a normal somewhat pain free life if it were you or I. An elite athlete though? It ruins that. There is no getting back to what he once was or what he once had.
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Monahan's issue is not only skating, last season you could clearly see he was not able to release his shot as quickly as before.
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His days of being an NHLer may be over.
Monahan got Surgery last year for the purpose of quality of life. There is life after hockey. The point of him getting the surgeries while he is under NHL contract means his rehabilitation is covered and if he is unable to perform he can get long term disability coverage from the NHL because the injury was sustained during play.

We may never see Sean play again but the Flames will give him every opportunity to try and play again although I'll be honest I doubt it.
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I think it is a safer bet that one of Dube / Ruzicka / Pelltier becomes a 20 goal scorer than Monahan does next season.

My biggest problem with Monahan's game last season was that his line couldn't get the puck back from the opposition. As soon as Monahan's line got possession they would dump the puck in and go off on a change. There were several factors contributing to it, one of them was that Monahan had a hard time coming up with the puck in board battles. The other was an inability to disrupt the opposition's cycle in his own zone, and missing assignments as a result. His +/- reflects that, and a lot of it had to do with how he thinks the game rather than his physical ability.

Sutter tried sheltering Monahan, he tried playing him with good wingers, but Monahan's line was a liability for most of last season. I don't expect it to change, but I really wish Monahan gets fully healthy and stays healthy and successful regardless of his on-ice contribution.
IIRC Monahan's numbers actually reflected that he did OK on possession except with a couple of particular wingers. He had positive numbers except in the Pitlick/Dube, Lucic/Toffoli and Lewis Richardson combos. And I don't think Sutter gave him good wingers at all - it was mostly a diet of Lewis, Pitlick, Ritchie, Lucic and Richardson especially to start. I thought that when Toffoli came, they looked OK with Dube, despite the fact Monahan was clearly hurt, and he had fantastic numbers with Mangiapane/Dube.

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