American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's never stopped Hollywood. Not sure why you guys are so hard on Roger. He's entitled to his opinion.

In a free society I'm allowed to point out intellectually defecient arguments just as much as a sportscaster is allowed to spew them

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

In a free society I'm allowed to point out intellectually defecient arguments just as much as a sportscaster is allowed to spew them

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Is Roger Millions day drinking or something?

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

They're still there. They are just replies to other accounts. He sounds like an idiot with the responses though.

Yes because that's exactly what's going on here. Like I said before the only reason his name got dropped into this thread was to gang up and throw stones at him as he has no other relevance in this thread. Not a good look.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Basically I'm skeptical of how clean tech can survive on its own without massive government subsidies and incentives, which runs counter to the narrative that they're becoming widely embraced and profitable.

why wouldn't they get them, like the O & G industry

[Barnes]

If I didn't go to Roger's twitter yesterday I never would have seen all the reports about the explosion at the Vatican.

Which turned out to be a scrap yard fire in Rome

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's never stopped Hollywood. Not sure why you guys are so hard on Roger. He's entitled to his opinion.

Entitled to an opinion is one thing, maintaining an opinion in the face of fact while spewing out vitriol on that flies in the face sound science and damaging from the greater public good is another.

How is this any different than homeopathy leading to death or the anti-vaxxer movement dangerously decreasing herd immunity and resurgence of the measles? They do not have the authority to speak knowledgeably or accurately on these matters and their actions have the potential to cause large public harm. The "no body's business whether I vaccinate my kids" or nimby argument is often used. Well not vaccinating has the potential to cause great harm to those with compromised immune systems and those who are too young or other reasons. Does the potential for larger public harm not need to be balanced with the rights of the individual? Conversely for climate change, loud ignorant comments on climate change are what lead to Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris accords which will do definite harm to the global community as a whole. People who ridicule him or are condescending to him are not right, but he deserves a talking to to highlight misconceptions he has . It is still accurate to say you should not trust him for certain areas he clearly has no expertise in.

Education is necessary and as a public figure, people should be held to a higher standard for these types of issues. Just because Hollywood does things bad, does not give any other non-Hollywood person justification for doing so.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yes because that's exactly what's going on here. Like I said before the only reason his name got dropped into this thread was to gang up and throw stones at him as he has no other relevance in this thread. Not a good look.

He's using a platform he's gained through his job to question settled science and call out politicians. He should keep his Twitter feed focused on sports, which is why people follow him. Your defense of him here is fairly odd.

[FlameOn]

Mike Pence is now saying that Climate Change is just an issue created by the political left and is just an excuse to transfer wealth out of America. Video and quotes in article.

Vice President Mike Pence has called the issue of climate change "a paramount issue for the left" as he sought to defend Donald Trump's decision to withdraw the US from the Paris Agreement on climate change.

His comments come a day after Mr Trump announced he was pulling out of the global accord, signed by nearly 200 countries in an effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and tackle global warming.

The move has been met with harsh criticism from the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, and former President Barack Obama, who used an executive order to push through US involvement in the deal so he could bypass climate sceptics in Congress.

Mr Pence echoed the President's comments on the administration's 'America First' doctrine, saying he was steadfast in his belief that withdrawing from the climate deal would be good for the US economy and job creation.

It is "so refreshing to have a President who stands without apology...for America first," Mr Pence said on Fox News' Fox & Friends programme, saying he didn't understand why climate change had become such an issue for the Democrats and the left.

Mr Pence called the Paris deal "a transfer of wealth from the most powerful economy in the world to other countries around the planet."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7769081.html

[photon]

I hope someone asks Spicer about the imaginary tax plan that's moving through Congress.

I guess I shouldn't vilify Trump he was just expressing his opinion, he's entitled to his imaginary tax plan.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

He's using a platform he's gained through his job to question settled science and call out politicians. He should keep his Twitter feed focused on sports, which is why people follow him. Your defense of him here is fairly odd.

Not odd at all. In an American Politics thread I don't think we need to throw local sports personalities into the fire. If Roger tweeted out that he strongly disagreed with Trump his tweets wouldn't even be mentioned in this thread. His opinion wasn't added to this thread because it was relevant as it was only brought in to ridicule him. I totally understand how devoted some of you are to the climate cause but I find it interesting that you don't see how crazy some of you get about opposing opinions and how far you will go to ridicule people for it. People like to put out statements that they are pointing out flaws or intellectually deficient but the truth is that its mob mentality prevailing here.

As for him using his platform, it's up to his employer to decide what he can or cannot do with it.

[Thor]

lol Pence talking about transfer of wealth, oh the irony mister tax cuts and gutting social programs..

[FlameOn]

Bloomberg is reporting the GOP financiers and main strategic backer Koch brothers were behind Trumps decision to pull out of the Paris Accords
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/video...ate-exit-video

[Thor]

Color me shocked!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Thor

Color me shocked!

Is shocked a shade of orange?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is shocked a shade of orange?

Make America Orange Shade Again

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

How on earth did this man not lose every dime his dad gave him let alone build an empire worth billions? It's really beyond comprehension!

I read somewhere he has an IQ of 160, yeah no, that's obviously real fake news

I'm pretty sure you read it wrong. He has a vocabulary of 160.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Make America Orange Shade Again

@chrislhayes
Make America Great Again, But, Failing That, At Least Piss Off Liberals Enough To Feel Good, Fleetingly.

Hard to fit on a hat.

[FlameOn]

Apparently Trump was nudged to reject the Paris Accords because he was intimidated by French president Macron's aggressive handshake, which "irritated and bewildered" Trump. It did not help that the other Globalists in the administration, business leaders and European leaders were outmaneuvered by Bannon's faction in communicating with Trump but in the end, Trump was only worried about his less than bigly hands.

It worries me greatly that he is in charge of the worlds largest military.

President Trump was always inclined to pull the U.S. out of the Paris Agreement to fight climate change, and he announced Thursday he will do so, after months of contentious White House debate that didn't even really take into account "the environmental and public health consequences of climate change,"

Instead, business leaders, economic adviser Gary Cohn, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and daughter Ivanka Trump spoke of the economic and diplomatic problems of quitting the global accord. They were outmaneuvered by chief strategist Stephen Bannon, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, and budget chief Mick Mulvaney, who brought in reams of charts and statistics dismissed as "either erroneous, scientifically dubious, misleading, or out of date" by opponents of ditching the Paris Agreement, The Washington Post reports.

Trump's "final, deliberative verdict was the same as his initial, gut-level one," the Post says, basing its "account of Trump's decision-making process" on interviews with "more than a dozen administration officials, Trump confidants, Republican operatives, and European diplomats." Kellyanne Conway said that Trump "stayed where he's always been, and not for a lack of trying by those who have an opposite opinion." Some of that trying came from European leaders, who marshaled economic, moral, environmental, and global power arguments to persuade Trump to keep the U.S. in the agreement during the G7 summit in Sicily.

That might have backfired, The Washington Post says. "One senior White House official characterized disappointing European allies as 'a secondary benefit' of Trump's decision to withdraw." And there was one "nudge" to quit Paris in particular, from French President Emmanuel Macron:

Macron was quoted in a French journal talking about his white-knuckled handshake with Trump at their first meeting in Brussels, where the newly elected French president gripped Trump's hand tightly and would not let go for six long seconds in a show of alpha-male fortitude. ... Hearing smack-talk from the Frenchman 31 years his junior irritated and bewildered Trump, aides said. A few days later, Trump got his revenge. He proclaimed from the Rose Garden, "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."

http://theweek.com/speedreads/702983...sive-handshake
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...0ab_story.html

[Wormius]

How long would it take to undo all of the mess that he creates once he is out of office and a capable president is at the helm? Assuming that the midterm elections cripple the republican party's control, they only have about 2 years of recklessness remaining, how much worse could it get?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Wormius

How long would it take to undo all of the mess that he creates once he is out of office and a capable president is at the helm? Assuming that the midterm elections cripple the republican party's control, they only have about 2 years of recklessness remaining, how much worse could it get?

Oh it can get worse. Everyone likes to point and laugh but the damage that he's already done to things like freedom of the press and public trust in a the process of democratically elected government will have long lasting implications. They will be difficult to immediately quantify so those that will defend him and scream "PROVE IT!" may get to think they're right in the short term but long term this toothpaste doesn't go back into the tube.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Oh it can get worse. Everyone likes to point and laugh but the damage that he's already done to things like freedom of the press and public trust in a the process of democratically elected government will have long lasting implications. They will be difficult to immediately quantify so those that will defend him and scream "PROVE IT!" may get to think they're right in the short term but long term this toothpaste doesn't go back into the tube.

It also could have the other affect of making fixes easier. With democracy slowly slipping away in the US serving corporate interests a disaster like trump may finally generate enough outrage for people to demand it to be fixed.

The House of Representatives hasn't functioned since Clintons impeachment.