Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[dino7c]

Lol Oiler fans, give it a rest
I know this year is your last shot at it but its early July

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol Oiler fans, give it a rest
I know this year is your last shot at it but its early July

I didn’t mean to interrupt all of the soccer and pre Olympic talk you guys have on here. My bad.

[direwolf]

Lol at Oiler fans acting like it’s a foregone conclusion that their reprehensible team of dirtbags will end up in the finals again. This year they had arguably one of the easiest paths to the finals in decades, particularly those first two rounds. The odds of that kind of scenario repeating are pretty damn slim, and it’s extremely difficult to get back there again. Especially if your two superstars are logging 25/30 minutes a night. There’s a s*** ton of mileage on those two, and it shows.

Tampa and Florida did it, but those teams were stacked with depth up and down their lineups, had better goaltending, and played strong defensive games. While the Oilers continue to ignore their biggest weaknesses (D and goaltending), and just keep adding more offence to try and outscore their problems.

And I’m still convinced that if Demko had been healthy, the Oilers wouldn’t have even made it past round 2.

[dino7c]

Its almost certain Vancouver wins with Demko

[Reggie Dunlop]

Why is promising to leave the forum considered a selfless act?

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

This is a legit concern for me, the short offseason, along with the wear and tear of the playoffs. But once again I think you all underestimate this team’s drive to win, led by McDavid himself. They’ll be hungrier than ever, and that should more than offset any of the other factors you bring up.



As well, there is something to be said about experience, which the Oilers are now a lot richer in. I notice, in all the negative spin on here, never is it mentioned that, the experience of this latest run will help the team, and that the younger players on the oilers, like Bouchard, Holloway and Broberg, are going to get even better.

Experience will help but there's no way they luck into getting the easiest ever path to the finals again next year. If Demko wasn't injured they wouldn't have even made it out of the second round. If they hadn't been gifted L.A. they might have been golfing in early May. Way too much had to go right for the Oil to get where they got, almost like catching lightning in a bottle. I doubt they do it again.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by chedder

Experience will help but there's no way they luck into getting the easiest ever path to the finals again next year. If Demko wasn't injured they wouldn't have even made it out of the second round. If they hadn't been gifted L.A. they might have been golfing in early May. Way too much had to go right for the Oil to get where they got, almost like catching lightning in a bottle. I doubt they do it again.

Players will get injured again and teams will "no-show" again. I guarantee it.

But I would be absolutely shocked if the Oilers ever repeat that PK performance.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Players will get injured again and teams will "no-show" again. I guarantee it.

True… but you can't guarantee that it will happen in the Oilers' section of the playoff bracket. Odds are very good that some other team will benefit instead.

[CaptainCrunch]

I love Oiler fan logic.


Our young players are all going to turn into awesome super stars. I would hold judgment on your only two young players of merit, Holloway and Boingboing. I don't know if Holloway is going to translate into a first round draft pick talent, and Boingboing was heading towards finishing his next few years in Europe.


Our old players will never age and be awesome into perpetuity. We know that doesn't happen. The Oilers have had a perfect couple of years carried by special teams and career years. But the math, tea leaves etc say that with an elderly lineup like the Oilers, its more then likely that we're going to see several declines. I predict that Hyman is going to pop and start sliding, he's got a ton of mileage in heavy traffic area.



Oh look at all these superstar sign ons this year, like Arvedson and blah blah and blue blue, they all want to win with McDavid. Maybe, more then likely they just want a paycheck and a playoff bonus check.



There are always on paper dynasties in every sport. Look at our team, on paper they are going to win 60 games, smash records and go on to enslave the love of the human race. And it rarely happens. Go back and look at my history of the NHL in bite sized pieces, outside of the Islander the Habs and the one year of the Oilers, its rare that the most talented, or the most typed team has success.



The Oilers will disappoint next year, the question to be answered is how many dead coach salaries is Katz willing to pay?




I have spoken.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Sooo...come back immediately under a new username?

Doesn’t count as a true djsFlames if he doesn’t come back with the text-based equivalent of a fake accent.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Doesn’t count as a true djsFlames if he doesn’t come back with the text-based equivalent of a fake accent.

Or a false moustache…

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Or a false moustache…

oy govna…

djsFlames?…

never ‘erd o’ tha bloke…

blimey…

got me twirlin muh very real moustache o’er that ‘un!

[1qqaaz]

These are the ages of some of the best players when they began their career seasons:

Wayne Gretzly: 24
Mario Lemieux: 22
Bobby Orr: 22
Maurice "Rocket" Richard: 23
Mike Bossy: 24
Gordie Howe: 24 (technically had more points at 40, but in more games played)
Jean Beliveau: 24
Jaromir Jagr: 23
Sidney Crosby: 19
Alex Ovechkin: 21

There's already a decent chance that McDavid is past his prime. The only reason he seemingly improves his point totals is that league scoring and powerplays have gone up so much in recent years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

Oh, and the PK will be fine. I have to laugh at the fact this forum so highly exalts Ryan McLeod now, after he’s been traded. I admit I liked his game for the most part but he was a small factor in the finals run. Arviddson and Skinner will more than cover the hole McLeod leaves.

Skinner should play on PK1.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

These are the ages of some of the best players when they began their career seasons:

Wayne Gretzly: 24
Mario Lemieux: 22
Bobby Orr: 22
Maurice "Rocket" Richard: 23
Mike Bossy: 24
Gordie Howe: 24 (technically had more points at 40, but in more games played)
Jean Beliveau: 24
Jaromir Jagr: 23
Sidney Crosby: 19
Alex Ovechkin: 21

There's already a decent chance that McDavid is past his prime. The only reason he seemingly improves his point totals is that league scoring and powerplays have gone up so much in recent years.

In fairness, I think his last 2 seasons have been his best; but you're right he might have peaked.
Particularly with the minutes & intensity he has to play; he must be getting tired.

[midniteowl]

I have to chuckle at the Oilers fans saying that they're gonna make it to the final coming season. They've added a player who was on a team that Oilers beat in the first round in Arvidsson, who's highest points total was 61 and that's 7 years ago when he was 24. The other player they signed was Jeff Skinner, who is the first player in NHL history to reach 1,000 regular-season games without appearing in the postseason, talking about experience.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

These are the ages of some of the best players when they began their career seasons:

Wayne Gretzly: 24
Mario Lemieux: 22
Bobby Orr: 22
Maurice "Rocket" Richard: 23
Mike Bossy: 24
Gordie Howe: 24 (technically had more points at 40, but in more games played)
Jean Beliveau: 24
Jaromir Jagr: 23
Sidney Crosby: 19
Alex Ovechkin: 21

There's already a decent chance that McDavid is past his prime. The only reason he seemingly improves his point totals is that league scoring and powerplays have gone up so much in recent years.

Yes, they have peaked. It doesn’t mean they are going to be worthless in the future but what is up for bids is their decline years at a raise - nominally, as well as with respect to the salary cap. That’s why I hope the Oilers keep them.

Eventually people will realize the reality of aging curves. Until then, I’m happy to sit back and laugh at the remarkably horrible decisions GMs make year after year.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by looooob

can you indulge me and check the 67 Leafs (yes before expansion and colour TV... ) as I always remember hearing that was a particularly famous collection of fossils- now both of their goalies were ancient and the whole blueline was over 30 but in addition to 2 HOF forwards in their late 20s, I think many of their other key forwards were in their 20s also


they would have only had to go through 2 rounds of playoffs at any rate

Took a quick look at https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/TOR/1967.html and used the listed playoff roster there to calculate out their estimated age. Just did very quick math using the numbers listed there, so again take with a grain of salt.


But the average age of that team came out to be 30.2 years old, even with all their super old players on there. Even if you add another half year of age to everyone on their roster (to account for variance in their birthdays) to make their average age 30.7, the current Oilers incarnation will still beat them by half a year.

Now, 31 years old in 2025 and 31 years old in 1967 are two vastly different things but it’s still kinda shocking how old the Oilers have gotten in a relatively short time frame.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Players will get injured again and teams will "no-show" again. I guarantee it.

But I would be absolutely shocked if the Oilers ever repeat that PK performance.

This is what I’m finding Oilers fans and the media are failing to realize. That PK they had throughout the playoffs was historically and unnaturally good. There’s no way they repeat that performance. Zero. Even those saying that their PK will be “fine” fail to realize that the 94% PK did a lot of heavy lifting in getting them to the finals.

Yes, credit where it’s due with the fact that they shut everything down on that PK. But a ton also has to go right to get a PK that good, so even if they did carry over the same personnel… good luck repeating that in back to back post-seasons.

[manwiches]

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