Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

McDavid is the 4th (or 5th if counting Crosby) best 1st overall pick in the league right now.

Looking a bit further back, the greatest #1 overall bust of all time, Alexandre Daigle, has the same number of cups as McMuffin.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Well McDavid could feasibly have cups right now, but he saddled himself to the oilers for 10+ seasons of his own free will, so he's clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Looking a bit further back, the greatest #1 overall bust of all time, Alexandre Daigle, has the same number of cups as McMuffin.

Hows Yakupov doing?

[FleeceGang]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'd rather have a McDavid signed to a friendly contract with a couple of years left, than a straight up UFA. McDavid taking the 2 year contract may have been a favor to Edmonton in more than 1 way. It gives them two more chances to compete potentially, but also increases their return in a trade.

McDavid can still demand out at any moment. He has that star power.

I've said this before but if McDavid, or his agent, had any semblance of smarts they would do everything in their power to avoid a trade. At this point McDavid owes nothing to the Oil and the acquisition cost for the team he'd be traded to would be immense. What's the point of leaving Edmonton if you are gutting the team you are going to just create another Edmonton situation with no prospects, draft picks, and no supporting cast?

No idea what the trade would actually be but based on cap wages there are only 8 teams in the league who could fit McDavid in with only having to shuffle $4mil or less in cap. A trade to these teams would focus on picks and prospects, something Edmonton desperately needs. Carolina is the highest standing of the bunch in this scenario, with Chicago and San Jose being strong up and coming teams.

Every other team will have to unload $10mil to fit the contract, you can expect that salary to belong to decent players as, despite my thoughts toward Oil management, they are not going to trade Connor for boat anchors and cap dumps. So any of the other 23 teams would in theory have to package a top end player, picks and prospects to land McDavid. This would ultimately hamper that team as the cupboards become a little more barren and resources for further trades diminish. Unless that team is already a contender I can't see Connor easily winning a cup out the gate in this scenario.

Obviously this is speculation, and maybe a top line C + a 1st + a prospect gets it done and the team he goes to isn't as depleted as I'm assuming they will be. But still, going to a team that gets to keep all of those assets as he signed as a UFA would be automatically better instead of it being possibly a lateral move.

[CroFlames]

Makar might be the best d-man since Orr.

He's got the inside track on being the first truly generational player since Crosby & Ovi.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'd rather have a McDavid signed to a friendly contract with a couple of years left, than a straight up UFA. McDavid taking the 2 year contract may have been a favor to Edmonton in more than 1 way. It gives them two more chances to compete potentially, but also increases their return in a trade.

McDavid can still demand out at any moment. He has that star power.

I'm pretty sure that was the plan. Both the team and the player thought they could take one more run this year so moving him last year wasn't in their cards. That would have walked him to free agency and that wouldn't be good for the Oilers to let him get away for free. He also doesn't want to be hated for walking away and leaving the team hanging. He wants to do the right thing for the team too. A 2 year extension for well below what he could have easily demanded makes it easier for more teams to fit him into their cap if they were to trade for him.

He's gone in summer 2026.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Looking a bit further back, the greatest #1 overall bust of all time, Alexandre Daigle, has the same number of cups as McMuffin.

Not even close. Yakupov was a much bigger bust than Daigle. The #1 overall pick in 1999, Patrik Stefan, did nothing (we all know who 2 and 3 were that year).

One could argue Brian Lawton (1983) as well, though his career scoring rate was slightly better than Daigle's (0.55 vs 0.53 PPG), albeit in fewer games (483 vs 616) and in the 80's rather than the 90's. We all know Pronger came after Daigle, but the next 4 picks after Lawton were Sylvain Turgeon (nothing special, but he did post two 70 point seasons), Pat LaFontaine, Steve Yzerman, and Tom Barrasso. Cam Neely went 9th.

[Groot]

When the Oilers trade McDavid this offseason after missing the playoffs, and they retain 50% of his contract, McDavid will be able to pick and choose any team in the league for 2 years. Any team will be able to fit a $6.25M McDavid for 2 years. He's done his best to setup a 2-year window of salary cap shenanigans to solidify his chances at a Cup.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not enough Makar mentions in the "best player" discussion.

MacKinnon & Makar > McDavid & Draisaitl

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

MacKinnon & Makar > McDavid & Draisaitl

That's like saying Candy & Puppies > BO & Puke

[Knut]

Is McDavid worth 3.25 Trent Frederic's ??

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Knut

Is McDavid worth 3.25 Trent Frederic's ??

No one is....no one.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Not even close. Yakupov was a much bigger bust than Daigle. The #1 overall pick in 1999, Patrik Stefan, did nothing (we all know who 2 and 3 were that year).

One could argue Brian Lawton (1983) as well, though his career scoring rate was slightly better than Daigle's (0.55 vs 0.53 PPG), albeit in fewer games (483 vs 616) and in the 80's rather than the 90's. We all know Pronger came after Daigle, but the next 4 picks after Lawton were Sylvain Turgeon (nothing special, but he did post two 70 point seasons), Pat LaFontaine, Steve Yzerman, and Tom Barrasso. Cam Neely went 9th.

I love when Oilers fans talk like their 2012 1st overall didn't count because they made such a bad pick. And it was a very bad class but it still had guys like Morgan Rielly and Filip Forsberg come out of the top 10 or so picks. Even Lindholm, Dumba and Trouba from that top 10 were all building blocks if not stars.

Nevermind that the Oilers loved the class so much they went back and traded the Matt Barzal pick and a 2nd rounder for Griffin Reinhart and signed Ryan Murray. Classic moments in Oilers scouting right there

[Racki]

Who was it that made the before season points prediction? Stauffer? Staples? I'd love to take a look at that again. He had Savoie and Howard putting up pretty big numbers if I remember?

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I love when Oilers fans talk like their 2012 1st overall didn't count because they made such a bad pick. And it was a very bad class but it still had guys like Morgan Rielly and Filip Forsberg come out of the top 10 or so picks. Even Lindholm, Dumba and Trouba from that top 10 were all building blocks if not stars.

Nevermind that the Oilers loved the class so much they went back and traded the Matt Barzal pick and a 2nd rounder for Griffin Reinhart and signed Ryan Murray. Classic moments in Oilers scouting right there

Yeah it comes down to how those players were developed in Edmonton. they weren't. Instead they were thrown to the wolves and forced to fend for themselves. Good game or bad game they still got the same opportunities. They didn't have to earn anything once they made it to the Oilers.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Racki

Who was it that made the before season points prediction? Stauffer? Staples? I'd love to take a look at that again. He had Savoie and Howard putting up pretty big numbers if I remember?

Pretty sure that Baghdad Mayor Quiggley Stauffer will simply double down and say that the first half of the season doesn’t matter; his “information” is that the players will deliver those numbers in 42 games!

[Brupal]

A WestJet gate agent in Edmonton is in hot water after ripping up a family’s boarding passes and then getting physical. Not a good look for Shelbyville.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ding-pass.html

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Racki

Who was it that made the before season points prediction? Stauffer? Staples? I'd love to take a look at that again. He had Savoie and Howard putting up pretty big numbers if I remember?

95 goals for Hyman, Mangiapane, Frederic, Savoie and Howard predicted. presently at 12.

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by Groot

When the Oilers trade McDavid this offseason after missing the playoffs, and they retain 50% of his contract, McDavid will be able to pick and choose any team in the league for 2 years. Any team will be able to fit a $6.25M McDavid for 2 years. He's done his best to setup a 2-year window of salary cap shenanigans to solidify his chances at a Cup.

Question:

If Mavi was traded July1, would he be able to have double retention 75 days later? Not just him, but is that a loophole?

[White Out 403]

So apparently Dave Chappelle's show in Edmonton last night was a total disaster, with fans acting like idiots, people heckling, and Dave being visibly annoyed. What an absolute trashy city.