Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[agulati]

Definitely a stressful time as a flames fan. Come on Johnny. Sign the dotted line already.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I want Johnny to sign but 9.5/8 years is my absolute highest price I would pay and would be much more comfortable with 9. The nice thing I guess if he does walk is the Flames should still have that money to spend to replace him. You can't replace him with one player but maybe you can improve the team still with that money. Maybe a Kadri or Miller if a trade could be worked out

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Not directed at you Vinny...

Why does every trade involving the Flames and Devils result in the Devils getting absolutely fleeced every time?

Weaker draft and there is a very good chance whoever gets picked at second will not be as good of a players as Tkachuk.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I want Johnny to sign but 9.5/8 years is my absolute highest price I would pay and would be much more comfortable with 9. The nice thing I guess if he does walk is the Flames should still have that money to spend to replace him. You can't replace him with one player but maybe you can improve the team still with that money. Maybe a Kadri or Miller if a trade could be worked out

I'd be shocked if Calgary can get him for that number.

And remember, if Calgary signs Johnny for, say, $10M, they will need to lose some cap to fit everyone in. So, it's not like that then have $10M to blow.

[Major Major]

Leverage play

[blankall]

I see a 10.5 million x 8 years, as what Johnny is looking for. IMO he's coming from the position that his last contract was a discount and he's now looking to get paid.

The Flames will be forced to shake up their offence to accommodate this contract. The Flames are most likely getting pressure from all of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane to buy high on them. Gaudreau is the only one that is worth buying high on IMO.

The big contract will also force the Flames to bring some youth into the lineup, which is a huge positive. If the Flames don't start doing that, they're going to end up with a logjam, where they'll have 3-4 forwards all knocking on the door and not enough opportunities to go around.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I want Johnny to sign but 9.5/8 years is my absolute highest price I would pay and would be much more comfortable with 9. The nice thing I guess if he does walk is the Flames should still have that money to spend to replace him. You can't replace him with one player but maybe you can improve the team still with that money. Maybe a Kadri or Miller if a trade could be worked out

You think a 115 point winger that drives a teams offense is only worth 9-9.5? I think it will be at least 10.5 and Calgary should do that all day.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

https://twitter.com/user/status/1541498991694688257

Latest from Frank; literally sounds like a deal could be signed by now but Johnny is the one holding it up. Time will tell if he decides his heart to play is still with the Flames or if it’s closer to home… fingers crossed he stays.

Is he implying that johnnys camp has not sent in a counter offer yet?

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah $9-9.5 million AAV is laughably low.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 7 x $12 million offered if Johnny hits the open market, so $84 million total.

That's why I'm thinking it'll take at least $88 million from the Flames to get him to forgo free agency and just take their 8 year offer.

[dissentowner]

I still think even if Gaudreau were to go to FA he will find out there is no takers or fits near his home town. Let's look at the places that always get thrown around.

Philly: They are a disaster. Their key players are all out with injuries to start the year, they lost Giroux, Torts is notorious for being a hard coach for skill players to play for, and they would have to do some crazy deals to make the salary work. Oh yeah, and they suck and will suck because they refuse to admit they need to go full rebuild. Gaudreau wants to win, he isn't going there

New Jersey: They have the cap space but from all of the media takes I have read from there they won't be interested. They need to spend money on starting goaltending, bolstering the D, a number 3 centre, but the main complaint is the team is too small. They have lots of skilled small players, they need size. They are rumoured to be going after a JT Miller trade hard.

NYI: This is not a very good team that even Trotz could not keep overachieving. They are tight on cap and I they look like a team that will toil as a bubble team for years. I don't see it

Boston: Boston needs to face the fact they need to rebuild. They fired an excellent coach who got great milage out of an aging core. Marchand and Bergeron are getting long in the tooth, Hall is Hall, flashes of brilliance and a lot of nights off, and Pasta is rumoured to want out because he can see that team already peaked, they are going nowhere.

I still think it gets done before UFA but even if he makes it there I still think he sees there is no fit for being close to home.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Is he implying that johnnys camp has not sent in a counter offer yet?

I think that's what he is saying. If true (and that's a huge if obviously), I assume it means he's still trying to decide if he stays or if he goes.

Johnny is not going to send a counter offer and then reneg if it is acceptable. So, if he sends a counter offer, he means he 's serious about wanting to stay.

So, since I believe he's still in the deciding stage of where he wants to play, it makes sense to me he's hasn't countered yet.

[Swayze11]

Strictly speculation on my part but Carolina would be an interesting landing spot for Johnny. They have a very stable cap situation, the owner flip flops on spending for players but I think he learned his lesson a bit.

They have a pretty strong window with Aho, Svechnikov, Taravienen, Slavin, Skeji and Andersson signed for at least 2 more years. If he wants to win and play in the east Carolina is a really attractive option.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Leverage play

It could be, but a better strategy would probably be to at least counter something even if it is the maximum possible amount, and then play the waiting game if the Flames don't accept right away.

By not countering at all, it certainly seems like the considerations right now are not monetary if not even the max allowed contract would be sufficient to entice him.

I think at best, this says that JG is undecided still. At worst, it means he has decided and it is not good for the Flames. If he absolutely decided that he wants to stay, there would have been some kind of counter offer by now IMO.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

sounds like an agent trying to squeeze every last penny, there is no deadline until the deadline

I don't think it's going to work that way from the Flames. They will have their own deadline before free agency. No negotiation from the Gaudreau camp is not a good thing at all as it either means they aren't close in negotiations or they are going to test free agency.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

I want Johnny to sign but 9.5/8 years is my absolute highest price I would pay and would be much more comfortable with 9. The nice thing I guess if he does walk is the Flames should still have that money to spend to replace him. You can't replace him with one player but maybe you can improve the team still with that money. Maybe a Kadri or Miller if a trade could be worked out

seriously? 9.6 is your walkaway?
Let's say you're the GM, is there any way you can just let Gaudreau walk and then spend 10M and have the team be improved come September? virtually impossible, IMO.
I'd love to know your reasoning on how you think Gaudreau is only worth 9M per year, when looking at the salary structure of the league.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think it's going to work that way from the Flames. They will have their own deadline before free agency. No negotiation from the Gaudreau camp is not a good thing at all.

Ah, I don't think so.

There is no Plan B or C in this situation.

You sign Johnny, or you are a significantly worse team. I think they'll do what they need to do in order to get it done because there is no other valid path forward (other than a giant rebuilding bomb). They'll take it to 11:59PM EST on July 12th if that's what it takes.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Ah, I don't think so.

There is no Plan B or C in this situation.

You sign Johnny, or you are a significantly worse team. I think they'll do what they need to do in order to get it done because there is no other valid path forward (other than a giant rebuilding bomb). They'll take it to 11:59PM EST on July 12th if that's what it takes.

Disagree. Flames are not going to wait and risk losing out on any sort of replacement being Forsberg, Kadri, or whomever. They are not going to fold their tents if Gaudreau decides to go east. They still want to win next season with Darryl coaching.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Disagree. Flames are not going to wait and risk losing out on any sort of replacement being Forsberg, Kadri, or whomever. They are not going to fold their tents if Gaudreau decides to go east. They still want to win next season with Darryl coaching.

Time will tell - also, I'm not sure how taking it to 11:59PM EST means they can't go after Kadri or Forsberg when the market opens.

...but do you think that Kadri or Forsberg are going to sign here with us losing our best player? Even if we somehow do get one of them - the team is worse because neither of those players are near Johnny's level.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Ah, I don't think so.

There is no Plan B or C in this situation.

You sign Johnny, or you are a significantly worse team. I think they'll do what they need to do in order to get it done because there is no other valid path forward (other than a giant rebuilding bomb). They'll take it to 11:59PM EST on July 12th if that's what it takes.

Of course there is.

It may not be what fans like or want, but BT is nothing if not prepared for all contingencies.

[Roof-Daddy]

If the Flames still want to try to win now, they cannot afford to wait for Johnny's decision if he chooses to go to free agency.

They will most certainly be swinging for the fences and trying to get either Forsberg or Kadri IMO.

Now, let's say they do sign a guy like Forsberg for example. They will still be able to sign Johnny if they circle back to each other. It would just mean that they would have to trade Tkachuk for some sort of future laden package. Maybe even Mangiapane too, depending on what happens with Monahan and Lucic. Obviously I'm a big fan of Tkachuk, but that wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen either IMO.

Bring in Forsberg as a Tkachuk replacement, bring Johnny back, and then get some sort of nice haul for Tkachuk.

However, I still maintain that if Gaudreau hits the market, he's gone.