Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I really don't understand why these sorts of accusations are allowed here, but telling someone to go #### themselves gets you banned. This sort of thing is much more personal and abusive.

What if we all posted like we were standing face to face.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

This thread is so ####ed. Man, seriously, and I mean, and I don't care if I'm sinbinned or banned, #### you for writing this. For real.

Nah, I don't think you should be, that's fair, what I said was over the line so I apologise.

My point is that the issue is police using excessive force to kill another Black person. Some people need to paint Floyd as a meth head, or bring up his criminal history, or whatever, and I wonder why. It doesn't change the grossness of what happened, and it doesn't change the fact that dozens of innocent Black lives have been taken by police for no good reason, just in recent history, and that's why there are protests.

I also find the idea that this video changes the narrative to be pretty ridiculous and distasteful. Why would anyone think that? And why would anyone think that the protests/riots/violence as somehow less justified because of it? Doesn't that seem ridiculous?

[Wastedyouth]

I guess I don't understand why people get so insanely butthurt in this forum.

You don't like where the conversation is going, or you feel like you got disrespected, report it or take a break from the thread for a few days.

It blows me away coming on here and seeing people just losing their #### over a perceived or intentional slight.

There is a weird level of self created ownership of some threads that have people acting a bit erratic and sensitive at times.

You gain or lose absolutely nothing in your ACTUAL life from comments of an anonymous poster to your own anonymously posted comments and personality.

It bottles my mind.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I guess I don't understand why people get so insanely butthurt in this forum.

You don't like where the conversation is going, or you feel like you got disrespected, report it or take a break from the thread for a few days.

It blows me away coming on here and seeing people just losing their #### over a perceived or intentional slight.

There is a weird level of self created ownership of some threads that have people acting a bit erratic and sensitive at times.

You gain or lose absolutely nothing in your ACTUAL life from comments of an anonymous poster to your own anonymously posted comments and personality.

It bottles my mind.

This is a fairly garbage post. Someone suggested I enjoyed that a black man was murdered by a cop, and I'm what? Supposed to chuckle and leave the thread? Garbage.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

This is a fairly garbage post. Someone suggested I enjoyed that a black man was murdered by a cop, and I'm what? Supposed to chuckle and leave the thread? Garbage.

There's a chance it was directed at others. I know. Sounds crazy.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

This is a fairly garbage post. Someone suggested I enjoyed that a black man was murdered by a cop, and I'm what? Supposed to chuckle and leave the thread? Garbage.

Report it.

You, and some other posters, seem to think you can "win" a thread by being the most active or generate the most outrage.

Honestly I found the amount of outrage you took at it to be kind of amusing in the childishness of the response.

The post itself was terrible as well. But you losing your mind and going off on a rage post does nothing but possibly get you banned or suspended and gains or adds nothing to the situation or conversation in the thread. You would probably be far farther ahead in life if you just reported it and ignored it and let the mods deal with it, thank post a reaction like that.

Edit: You do you dude, just saying, you come off as bad as he does and to no ones advantage, much less your own.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

There's a chance it was directed at others. I know. Sounds crazy.

Literally he was quoting my post

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Report it.

You, and some other posters, seem to think you can "win" a thread by being the most active or generate the most outrage.

Honestly I found the amount of outrage you took at it to be kind of amusing in the childishness of the response.

The post itself was terrible as well. But you losing your mind and going off on a rage post does nothing but possibly get you banned or suspended and gains or adds nothing to the situation or conversation in the thread. You would probably be far farther ahead in life if you just reported it and ignored it and let the mods deal with it, thank post a reaction like that.

Why would I be better off in life if I reported the post and ignored it? What a curious statement. Also, the bolded is ####ing hilarious cuz that's like, pot meet kettle. Good god.

I prob do need another break from this thread though, the moral police are out in full force. Enjoy everyone.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You don't like where the conversation is going, or you feel like you got disrespected, report it or take a break from the thread for a few days.

I see it in exactly the opposite way - that is, it makes far more sense to me that someone would be upset at having a personal statement like that made about them than it does for someone to feel they needed to make that statement in the first place.

I don't agree with WO403 that the video makes much of a difference in how I view the Floyd incident. But not only do I not feel the need to accuse him of enjoying it when black people die, saying something like that about someone on the basis of some fairly innocuous (if objectionable) views expressed on an internet forum just seems like a totally absurd thing to do. I don't want to dwell on it because Pepsi acknowledged it was over the line and apologized, but I just think you've got the issue totally backwards.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Literally he was quoting my post

To be fair, he's right, which is why I edited the post and apologised, since you weren't really the proper target of that comment, you were just focused on some of the same issues people like that are.

George Floyd didn't deserve to die, regardless of his history or drug use or whatever. Your focus on those character traits while painting the officer as someone who simply made a terrible judgement call felt gross to me, and reminded me of this:

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I haven't heard this mentioned in the media anywhere. It's just silly how the media is portraying the man. If the officer is found guilty he should be punished obviously.
I don't really have sympathy for a man who beat and threatened a pregnant woman at gun point.

There are people who are just fine that Floyd is dead. You've made it clear you're not one of them, but you're focused on the same kind of things. So I apologise for making the leap.

[PepsiFree]

Also, just to add on a personal note, I appreciate being called out as being over the line or saying something terrible. Whether in a thread or by PM, I think being reminded that you're talking to another person and not some charactature is a good thing.

[Wastedyouth]

NM, I am not a mod nor should I be the thread police.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

To be fair, he's right, which is why I edited the post and apologised, since you weren't really the proper target of that comment, you were just focused on some of the same issues people like that are.

George Floyd didn't deserve to die, regardless of his history or drug use or whatever. Your focus on those character traits while painting the officer as someone who simply made a terrible judgement call felt gross to me, and reminded me of this:



There are people who are just fine that Floyd is dead. You've made it clear you're not one of them, but you're focused on the same kind of things. So I apologise for making the leap.

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Look, the cop is a piece of ####, and should be in prison. But the cops were polite and trying their best with the guy Flloyd *at the start*. He was clearly high AF and already complaining about breathing problems before he was on the ground. That's all the lawyer for this guy needs to make sure he won't be convicted of 2nd degree murder. He was careless in his actions as a cop and his ####ty training and terrible judgement led to the death of a man who was maybe guilty of using counterfeit cash, being high and driving, and resisting arrest. Those aren't crimes cops can kill people over, but good luck proving the intent. That's insane.

I think this post summarizes that I don't think it's JUST bad training or terrible (not bad) judgement. He should be in prison for manslaughter.

Let me go another route. You feel he is a murderer, and should be convicted of murder 2 (assumption but I feel its safe here). Fair enough. I think there's no evidence here that there was intent and certainly no evidence it was racially motivated. Murder 3 or manslaughter is appropriate.

Are we really that far apart here?

Also, thanks for walking back your previous post.

[Yamer]

I don't think the line is all that blurry. It's awfully hard to argue negligence when someone presses their knee into a man's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds while rejecting suggestions from fellow officers to turn him over while the man literally begs for his life.

As for allegations of racism, I just don't see how this situation plays out the exact same way if George Floyd were a white person.

And the body cam footage has not moved the needle at all for me.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Also, just to add on a personal note, I appreciate being called out as being over the line or saying something terrible. Whether in a thread or by PM, I think being reminded that you're talking to another person and not some charactature is a good thing.

Well then boy do I have a list for you!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well then boy do I have a list for you!

Please spoiler-tag each specific category to keep my reading manageable. Thanks!

[peter12]

Again, being found after the fact to be high on drugs does not justify extrajudicial police killing.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by peter12

Again, being found after the fact to be high on drugs does not justify extrajudicial police killing.

Maybe not but it sure does make me feel better inside about my reaction to it.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by peter12

Again, being found after the fact to be high on drugs does not justify extrajudicial police killing.

Is anyone making this case? Here anyways? I don't think so but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Being high, resisting arrest, and, complaining about not being able to breathe before being put on the ground does hurt the prosecutions ability to prove intent and murder 2 though.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by peter12

Again, being found after the fact to be high on drugs does not justify extrajudicial police killing.

I think the argument is that if Floyd wasn't high, he would not have died under those circumstances. Being high caused the lack of blood flow/excited delirium kind of thing. It's idiotic. But that's what a lot of people grab on to.