2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1st 2022 (I think they're pushing for this but we want to give up 2023).
Valimaki
Coronato
Pelletier

That's what I am thinking. I understand that Buffalo might actually require some cap to meet the floor though...

Lucic?

Looch is a good guy but would he waive to go there? Maybe Zadorov. LOL

[Toonage]

It took Iginla to convince him to come to Calgary. Who is going to do that for Buffalo? Lol

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

People say stuff like this and it is silly. There are a dozen reasons why a deal like this has not yet been consummated, and I think the most obvious one is that teams have been extremely reluctant to table much of anything that Buffalo wants without first seeing Eichel's medical records, and without the option of conditions. Those things have just recently changed, so a deal close to this is probably on the table now, but was not a month ago.

I’d add, there is no reason for Buffalo to move quickly.

They don’t want to be good for 2-3 years. With Eichel or without him. They have baselined offers with nothing. can now share info and add to the price, as you alluded. Then hope timing adds again for playoffs.

If not now other teams will be interested in the summer. If I were them I’d assume Eichel will waive his no trade for a chance to play. Pretty good bet.

If no one meets their price and Eichel sits the next 2 years they lose nothing but some cash.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Looch is a good guy but would he waive to go there? Maybe Zadorov. LOL

Looch isn't going anywhere. He wont waive to leave, his family enjoys it here.

He would waive if he didn't have a spot here and he was just going to hang it up but he's not there yet.

If they need to take a player with cap, Send Gawdawfulbranson.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I’d add, there is no reason for Buffalo to move quickly.

They don’t want to be good for 2-3 years. With Eichel or without him. They have baselined offers with nothing. can now share info and add to the price, as you alluded. Then hope timing adds again for playoffs.

If not now other teams will be interested in the summer. If I were them I’d assume Eichel will waive his no trade for a chance to play. Pretty good bet.

If no one meets their price and Eichel sits the next 2 years they lose nothing but some cash.

Oh there is reason. Pat Brisson is the advisor for Owen Power.

“Screw around with Jack for the whole year and take away his ability to get healthy and a year of his prime and there is no way I can advise my future client to sign with your franchise.”

That also sends a horrible message to any other player that would consider signing there.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Toonage

It took Iginla to convince him to come to Calgary. Who is going to do that for Buffalo? Lol

Eichel.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by saillias

The part about Gaudreau's been discussed already so I just want to focus on the other part.

Tkachuk literally can't do this. He's RFA. Team control.

If he wants a 1 year deal he can waste his final RFA year without a contract pouting, but I don't suspect it will come to that. If he really wants out, Winnipeg has provided the blueprint for handling this situation with Trouba, signing a long term contract with a handshake deal to move him, and then later dealing the player for a favorable return

I am constantly baffled by how the fanbase talks about the Tkachuk situation like we just have to let him go or get the absolute worst case result.

Tkachuk can just sign his qualifying offer if he wants to test UFA. Flames can't do anything about it.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Oh there is reason. Pat Brisson is the advisor for Owen Power.

“Screw around with Jack for the whole year and take away his ability to get healthy and a year of his prime and there is no way I can advise my future client to sign with your franchise.”

That also sends a horrible message to any other player that would consider signing there.

Stay in college for 3 more years and lose out of $3M from your first contract and delay being a free agent until after you are 27, then sign with another team for the ELC at 21 instead of 18. That is good advice for an agent to give.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by codynw

Eichel.

Maybe this is just me, but I want Lucic in the lineup every game for the rest of his deal if Eichel is on this team.

[dino7c]

Is Lucic really going to play for 1M next season?

I bet he retires

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Stay in college for 3 more years and lose out of $3M from your first contract and delay being a free agent until after you are 27, then sign with another team for the ELC at 21 instead of 18. That is good advice for an agent to give.

Doesn’t have to wait 3 years. Do you think Buffalo would call his bluff and let him walk for nothing? If that is the case then I guess he will have to stay for 3 more years but I can’t see Adams keeping his job by by not moving Eichel and risking losing another prime asset.

The way Buffalo is treating Jack it is questionable to why players would want to play for that organization. His prime is being ripped away by them because he can’t get the medical procedure he wants to continue with his playing career.

People need to stop pretending that the Sabres are in control of the situation. They have overplayed their hand and this is going to be resolved in 2021.

If this is how organizations treat their best player why would anyone willingly choose to go there if they had plenty of other options. The Sabres need to move Eichel and move on this is a bad look for them

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Looch isn't going anywhere. He wont waive to leave, his family enjoys it here.

He would waive if he didn't have a spot here and he was just going to hang it up but he's not there yet.

If they need to take a player with cap, Send Gawdawfulbranson.

Zadorov makes more than Gud.

I agree Lucic is unlikely to waive unless it’s close to home in Seattle or maybe an extended vacation for the family somewhere warm.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Oh there is reason. Pat Brisson is the advisor for Owen Power.

“Screw around with Jack for the whole year and take away his ability to get healthy and a year of his prime and there is no way I can advise my future client to sign with your franchise.”

That also sends a horrible message to any other player that would consider signing there.

Eh. McWhiner signed with the oilers, despite them being a disaster for near a decade.

A convincing loss by the Sabres hurts them. Anything short of Eichel for a first is probably fine.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Eh. McWhiner signed with the oilers, despite them being a disaster for near a decade.

A convincing loss by the Sabres hurts them. Anything short of Eichel for a first is probably fine.

I think bad organizations are going to find it harder and harder to extend these elite players to full term.

ELC >>> bridge >>> 1-year qualifying offer >>> UFA.

Seven years to UFA.

Vs

ELC >>> 8 year deal >>> UFA.

11 years to UFA.

Can you put a price on the Pegulas or Darryl Katz wasting years of your prime and costing you the chance at a legacy?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Stay in college for 3 more years and lose out of $3M from your first contract and delay being a free agent until after you are 27, then sign with another team for the ELC at 21 instead of 18. That is good advice for an agent to give.

Powers looks amazing and will likely have a long career where he makes lots of money, 3 million isn't going to break him. If Eichel could become a ufa and only make 7 million instead of 10 and play wherever he wants, do you think be would be upset? Playing where you want trumps making lots imo

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think bad organizations are going to find it harder and harder to extend these elite players to full term.

ELC >>> bridge >>> 1-year qualifying offer >>> UFA.

Seven years to UFA.

Vs

ELC >>> 8 year deal >>> UFA.

11 years to UFA.

Can you put a price on the Pegulas or Darryl Katz wasting years of your prime and costing you the chance at a legacy?

I don't. In a cap world, there is only so much money to go around. All of the UFAs can't play in the attractive markets.

[stang]

Originally Posted by saillias

The part about Gaudreau's been discussed already so I just want to focus on the other part.

Tkachuk literally can't do this. He's RFA. Team control.

If he wants a 1 year deal he can waste his final RFA year without a contract pouting, but I don't suspect it will come to that. If he really wants out, Winnipeg has provided the blueprint for handling this situation with Trouba, signing a long term contract with a handshake deal to move him, and then later dealing the player for a favorable return

I am constantly baffled by how the fanbase talks about the Tkachuk situation like we just have to let him go or get the absolute worst case result.

Except Tre needs to offer him a Qualifying Offer which has to be in the neighbourhood of 9mil. If he signs it then it’s a one year deal and he is UFA after. If he chooses to do so. Or possibly the team just elects arbitration in which case he gets one year and goes to UFA as well.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't. In a cap world, there is only so much money to go around. All of the UFAs can't play in the attractive markets.

I agree and I don't. I think guys who are elite, or look to be elite, will start going down this path.

I think for lots of guys, the long term post elc will still be attractive. Depends on if they have a good agent and how much they believe in themselves

Look at guys like pastrnak, barkov, Mackinnon for instance. They cost themselves millions... for what exactly.

Guys like Monahan and andersson did the real smart play

Mangiapane was interesting. If I was BT I would've offered 6x $4m last time. He bet on himself though and now he's going to cash in huge imo

Depends on the player and team situation

Even draisatl kinda ####ed himself a bit despite the contract looking like massive risk at the time

Salaries keep going up, the divide between young vs old and and elite vs rest is widening

If I was a young guy, there is no way in he'll I would sign longer than 5 years post elc at this point. I would try for 2 or 3 and spring board into Ufa leverage at 25/26

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[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Sergei Bobrovsky
Artemi Panarin

Goalies rarely have letters, and a player like Panarin typically won't have a letter regardless of locale. So I am assuming that your criterion for these two is "teams with little to no progress when it comes to postseason success"...

But the BlueJackets had literally just swept the President's Trophy winner the prior year. How was that not progress? They both proceeded to sign with (then) non-playoff teams if I'm not mistaken.

[Vinny01]

I listened a little bit to the Chris Johnston show which is a podcast talking Eichel. He mentioned that cap moves have taken teams like the Wild and Rangers out. He mirrored the Lebrun comments. He said the Ducks are lurking in the weeds remaining interested. He then said the Calgary Flames continue to keep tabs on the situation and a few other unnamed teams are in.

One thing that used to annoy me about Johnston when he would come on the FAN he never seemed to have anything ever on the Flames and this might be one of the first times I heard him mention them on a rumor.