2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am not sure why it would matter. We already know that Sabres fans are going to expect something unrealistic, and have almost certainly set the value of Eichel too high. This happens every single time a marquis player is moved: the receiving team's fanbase is astonished and angry with the return.

I’m not sure what kind of things Eichel is in to, personally would have used marquee

But I don’t know what I don’t know

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I’m not sure what kind of things Eichel is in to, personally would have used marquee

But I don’t know what I don’t know

A large Tent or canopy versus a European nobleman who ranks below a Duke.

We may need a poll

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Say the deal is something like:

To Buffalo: 1st in '22, 1st in '23, Zary, Pelletier, Lucic (who Buffalo then retains money on and flips), Monahan (who Buffalo then retains money on and flips)
To Calgary: Eichel (Buffalo could also incl. Eakins as he'd help us until Eichel got healthy in 21/22)

Wow, that's a horrendous deal for the Flames. I mean absolutely brutal. Leeman level brutal. Two first round picks AND two of our top three prospects, PLUS a top six center who would be their number once center. Doesn't matter that we dump a bad asset on them or not, you've just created a four year hole in our development program. That would be horrible. And come on. No one is taking on Lucic's contract. It's just a non-starter. Even though his salary is less than his cap hit, that cap hit is still ugly. I don't see any way he waives to go to Buffalo either.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Since1984

A large Tent or canopy versus a European nobleman who ranks below a Duke.

We may need a poll

Maybe the Marquis can provide one

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Wow, that's a horrendous deal for the Flames. I mean absolutely brutal. Leeman level brutal. Two first round picks AND two of our top three prospects, PLUS a top six center who would be their number once center. Doesn't matter that we dump a bad asset on them or not, you've just created a four year hole in our development program. That would be horrible. And come on. No one is taking on Lucic's contract. It's just a non-starter. Even though his salary is less than his cap hit, that cap hit is still ugly. I don't see any way he waives to go to Buffalo either.

Yeah, I just put it in as a "ceiling" style deal, and even note that. It was more about what it would take to make the salary cap work this year/also supplying enough assets to make the deal.

If you use the "asking for the equivalent to four first round picks" the deal could very well be Pelletier, Zary, Monahan + 1st or 2nd depending on what you value Monahan as, but yes - Eichel is going to cost a lot.

On the Lucic front, Buffalo taking him and retaining 50% and flipping doesn't seem "crazy" to me - as Buffalo is also facing the fact that they need to maintain the salary cap floor. We also know to some degree (rumoured) that Pittsburgh was interested in Lucic this summer.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Say the deal is something like:

To Buffalo: 1st in '22, 1st in '23, Zary, Pelletier, Lucic (who Buffalo then retains money on and flips), Monahan (who Buffalo then retains money on and flips)
To Calgary: Eichel (Buffalo could also incl. Eakins as he'd help us until Eichel got healthy in 21/22)

(this trade is likely more rich than what the end deal would look like, but the key is Monahan and Lucic leaving)

In 2022/2023:

Gaudreau ($9M) - Eichel ($10M) - Coleman ($4.9M)
Tkachuk ($9M) - Lindholm ($4.85M) - Mangiapane ($6M)
Dube ($2.3M) - Backlund ($5.35M) - ?
? - ? - ?
?

Hanifin ($4.95M) - Andersson ($4.55M)
Valimaki ($1.55M) - Tanev ($4.5M)
? - ?
?

Markstrom ($6M)
Vladar ($0.75M)

That leaves the bottom of the roster (8 players) with $8.8M on a projected 82.5M salary cap, or $1.1M per player.

Flat out - that's how it should be in my eyes. The bottom of the roster gets constructed with cheap UFAs and youth. No more overpayment. The biggest problem with the roster above is Valimaki slotted as a #4. To have a top-4 defenceman at that $1.55M range is likely unrealistic, but with $1.1M per player for the remaining 8 players to fill out a roster, perhaps money can slide around (...or perhaps Valimaki proves himself as a top-4 guy).

The issue I have with this is even though on paper it looks great I just don’t see this team winning with so many hole this year or in 22/23. Why pay way more to get rid of Lucic when we can get rid of him for free in 2 years and maybe dump him the final year of his contract to rebuilding team for cheap next year?

Backlund will also be very old in this scenario by the time we have enough depth to win

Also term matters. Valimaki would be an rfa in 1 year and Tkachuk at $9 mil could also be 1 year or short term.

Overall I don’t mind the idea just think paying a huge premium to get of lucic doesn’t make sense when Eichel is hurt this year and best case scenario is 1 year of a great looking team until Tkachuk walks as a ufa and this team is no better and our prospects are worse than they are now with no picks in the first round for 2 straight years. I’d keep lucic to keep a zary or a first but only if Tkachuk will sign at least 3 years as this team with Eichel still will need some time to build to win it all IMO

[dissentowner]

I think the Flames cost for Eichel will end up close to a top 5 protected first with Buffalo's choice of 2022 or 2023, Valimaki, Zary, and a B prospect.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think the Flames cost for Eichel will end up close to a top 5 protected first with Buffalo's choice of 2022 or 2023, Valimaki, Zary, and a B prospect.

This deal would have already been done imo

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by mdubz

This deal would have already been done imo

Buffaol has been holding back hoping form someone to blink. No one is bellying up to the bar for what they are asking. It is now time for them to come off what they are asking. That is fair deal, and they should take it and run.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mdubz

This deal would have already been done imo

People say stuff like this and it is silly. There are a dozen reasons why a deal like this has not yet been consummated, and I think the most obvious one is that teams have been extremely reluctant to table much of anything that Buffalo wants without first seeing Eichel's medical records, and without the option of conditions. Those things have just recently changed, so a deal close to this is probably on the table now, but was not a month ago.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by mdubz

This deal would have already been done imo

I think the point is that Buffalo needs to be more realistic in their ask and maybe they will.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

I don’t know, but at this point there is a strong feel that Tkachuk...will both atleast test free agency

The part about Gaudreau's been discussed already so I just want to focus on the other part.

Tkachuk literally can't do this. He's RFA. Team control.

If he wants a 1 year deal he can waste his final RFA year without a contract pouting, but I don't suspect it will come to that. If he really wants out, Winnipeg has provided the blueprint for handling this situation with Trouba, signing a long term contract with a handshake deal to move him, and then later dealing the player for a favorable return

I am constantly baffled by how the fanbase talks about the Tkachuk situation like we just have to let him go or get the absolute worst case result.

[Sec214]

Its Either Two 1st Picks + Dube/Valimaki/Andersson or Pick, Prospect + two young roster players ie Dube/Valimaki/Andersson.

If fatras isnt running the number 1 PP and playing top minutes, He holds zero value to the flames and should be dangled in the Eichel deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If I’m Buffalo I’m asking for Lindholm - a centre with term on a great contract. I may not get him, but if not, they may have to settle for Monahan - a centre with term on a higher contract and with some questions marks around health. They are going to want a player with term at the very least. The only thing about Tkachuk is he better fits their window for success with their picks, prospects and younger players like Dahlin.

Tkachuk’s current value is also way higher than Monny’s.


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[FusionX]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Maybe? Skinner on the team really hinders anything. Sure, you can have Wright/Bedard + Cozens down the middle with the Tkachuk brothers there, however, Skinner’s contract would make it really hard for me as a GM to ice a good roster. I suppose he could be bought out when his 2023 bonus passes, but even then that’s a lot of money to throw at two wingers. And, if I’m the Tkachuk’s, they would probably want 75m/8 year deals in order to stay in Buffalo.

Ya, Skinner's contract is terribad and I suppose they could argue they would want at least that given their actual performance, but I do wonder about the prospect of playing together, being the go-to guys both on and off the ice could make it more palatable for them.

But it seems like we're just having a side conversation within a sea of other speculation so maybe we're out to lunch lol

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Tkachuk’s current value is also way higher than Monny’s.


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Except for a nasty contract situation that’s developing and the fact he seems like he wants to go UFA as soon as possible. Buffalo may not trust that situation. They could well wind up paying $9M for one meaningless year.

[Gaskal]

I guess since we are all throwing proposals out

2022 1st (can defer to 2023)
Pelletier (CPs favorite Eichel trade bait)
Dube (because he was joking about getting traded for Eichel earlier this summer to some fan, jokes on you Dubes!)
Rasmus (so they can have more Rasmussen as they just traded the crap Rasmus. Now they can replace him with a good Rasmus lol)

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I guess since we are all throwing proposals out

2022 1st (can defer to 2023)
Pelletier (CPs favorite Eichel trade bait)
Dube (because he was joking about getting traded for Eichel earlier this summer to some fan, jokes on you Dubes!)
Rasmus (so they can have more Rasmussen as they just traded the crap Rasmus. Now they can replace him with a good Rasmus lol)

I’d rather they take futures and prospects. Giving away Rasmus would lead us to kissing the season goodbye, defence depth would be thrashed.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I guess since we are all throwing proposals out

2022 1st (can defer to 2023)
Pelletier (CPs favorite Eichel trade bait)
Dube (because he was joking about getting traded for Eichel earlier this summer to some fan, jokes on you Dubes!)
Rasmus (so they can have more Rasmussen as they just traded the crap Rasmus. Now they can replace him with a good Rasmus lol)

To me this subtracts too much from the active roster. How would this team compete without Andersson and/or Dube?

Buffalo is rumoured to want futures, Calgary can't really subtract from the active roster and have it make sense for their team - which is why I think they make good partners when it comes to a trade. The salary cap impact in the 21/22 season is the biggest hurdle in my eyes.

[Monahammer]

1st 2022 (I think they're pushing for this but we want to give up 2023).
Valimaki
Coronato
Pelletier

That's what I am thinking. I understand that Buffalo might actually require some cap to meet the floor though...

Lucic?