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Old 09-30-2024, 10:01 AM   #4261
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This entire 7th season of DS9 was such a faceplant. It’s like the episode with Crusher’s ancestor ghost…but a whole stupid season. Pah wraiths, prophets, prophecies, destiny, Dukat becoming a bajoran, Kai wynn. Mixed in with an oceans 11 episode, ezri and worf drama. Ugh.
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Old 09-30-2024, 11:07 AM   #4262
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This is a DS9 loving thread and I think you need to adjust your attitude, mister. We won't stand for this.
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Old 09-30-2024, 02:14 PM   #4263
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Listen, I like it. Easily the 2nd best trek show after TNG but JFC they made some missteps. And unlike TNG, where the skate gets wiped clean after a bad episode, the bad writing decisions in DS9 end up compounding. Like did we really need 5 episodes of a Dukat/Wynn romance? Only for their storyline to just completely disappear for the next 4 episodes?

Dukat was easily the best individual villain in all of trek. He was complex, inherently evil and yet sympathetic, his relationship with the bajorans was fascinating. He both loved them and hated them. He was proud to a fault and yet self loathing.

Then they threw it all away for plastic surgery so he could become a cult leader and bang a terrorist nun.

And don’t even get me started on this section 31 founder disease. This would have been a much better story if it was just straight up starfleet intelligence doing it right out in the open, acknowledging that it was intentional to save billions of lives. They could have even had Bashir’s little Illuminati group of genetic wizards come up with it and dedicate a whole storyline to Sisko et al deliberating whether or not to use it. Or make it about using the cure. Either way. It had so much wasted potential.

Instead we get characters using the term genocide incorrectly 47 times in 5 episodes and some lame inception rip off.


To avoid being a negative nancy I’ll be positive too.

I loved the Kira resistance. Even though it was too rushed and they should have had the cardassian turn come earlier. And it should have been her working with Dukat when he turned against the dominion. Having her team with some gul we’d barely met before was lame. Otherwise that whole story was good.

I loved worf finally punting that dork gowron. He was always such a tool with those creepy bug eyes. Martok was always a much better leader.

Bashir and O’Brian’s romance was adorable.

It was great to see Garak back. Literally the best character in the series and was criminally underutilized in the final season.
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This entire 7th season of DS9 was such a faceplant. It’s like the episode with Crusher’s ancestor ghost…but a whole stupid season. Pah wraiths, prophets, prophecies, destiny, Dukat becoming a bajoran, Kai wynn. Mixed in with an oceans 11 episode, ezri and worf drama. Ugh.
You sound like you need an intervention.

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There may also be a little light waterboarding involved. Waivers will be forthcoming. Participation is absolutely mandatory.
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So I recently watched Star Trek: Continues, which is a fan project of the gap between the end of TOS and the first movie. They had sets and uniforms and all that, and it actually wasn't terrible.


In true TOS fashion, the acting was sometimes suspect and the writing erratic. The special effects involving planets and weapons fire was terrible. The main cast ranged from pretty good (Kirk) to mediocre (Spock) to terrible (Sulu).


One thing that was really missing was the interpersonal dynamics, especially between Kirk, McCoy, and Spock, and there were no aliens more complicated than an Andorian on screen - no Klingons or anything.


Marina Sirtis did the voice of the computer, and guest stars included Clare Kramer (Glory from Buffy), John de Lancie (Q), Cas Anvar (The Expanse) Jamie Bamber (BSG), and Rekha Sharma (Landry from Discovery and Tory from BSG). There was a few continuations of TOS stories, and all in all, a pretty good effort and miles better than Discovery.
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So I recently watched Star Trek: Continues, which is a fan project of the gap between the end of TOS and the first movie. They had sets and uniforms and all that, and it actually wasn't terrible.


In true TOS fashion, the acting was sometimes suspect and the writing erratic. The special effects involving planets and weapons fire was terrible. The main cast ranged from pretty good (Kirk) to mediocre (Spock) to terrible (Sulu).


One thing that was really missing was the interpersonal dynamics, especially between Kirk, McCoy, and Spock, and there were no aliens more complicated than an Andorian on screen - no Klingons or anything.


Marina Sirtis did the voice of the computer, and guest stars included Clare Kramer (Glory from Buffy), John de Lancie (Q), Cas Anvar (The Expanse) Jamie Bamber (BSG), and Rekha Sharma (Landry from Discovery and Tory from BSG). There was a few continuations of TOS stories, and all in all, a pretty good effort and miles better than Discovery.

I always wonder how they basically get some pretty good actors to come cosplay in their basement
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Apparently Kim is in Season 5 of Lower Decks and there is multiple versions of him, and one has been promoted!
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Apparently Kim is in Season 5 of Lower Decks and there is multiple versions of him, and one has been promoted!

I always felt kind of sorry for Garrett Wong (?) playing a role that has become a butt of a lot of jokes.


I mean how bad are you at a job that you go on a 7 years incredibly dangerous, unsupported mission, where they lose crew members, and he goes from Ensign to Lt. like 1 rank.


Even in the US navy the average time in rank for a Ensign is 2 to 3 years.
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Apparently Kim is in Season 5 of Lower Decks and there is multiple versions of him, and one has been promoted!
Lol a redo to the Boimler clone promotion plot?
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Lol a redo to the Boimler clone promotion plot?
They have to do something with the Boimler clone and Section 31. You can't just tease that stuff!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8WRgPfjB4E

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This really bothers me.

At the end of Star Trek Generations, Picard leaves the Nexus with Kirk so they can tag team Malcolm McDowell.

But Guinan said he could go anywhere, any time.

And the great Jean Luc Picard, who one scene earlier was in a fairy tale Christmas with a family he never had, decides not to go back in time like six weeks and get a message to earth that prevents his brother and nephew from dying in a fire. Like, “bonjour mon frere, clean your furnace ducts, for real.”

Because he forgot about his brother’s death and how there’ll be no more Picards. Immediately after a fantasy that couldn’t have been more thematically relevant of Robert himself was in the scene.

Failing that, he could’ve gone back to when they first met Malcolm McDowell and arrested him in Ten Forward. That would’ve been the end of the movie, and we wouldn’t have destroyed the greatest ship in Star Trek history.

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Or Picard could have also made a baby Picard.
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He was already getting it on with Dr. Crusher.

He was crushing that Crusher.

Also...Picard doesnt mess with TIMELINES!!
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He was already getting it on with Dr. Crusher.

He was crushing that Crusher.

Also...Picard doesnt mess with TIMELINES!!
But he did mess with the timeline. He went back ten minutes early like he was Marty McFly, leaving himself no margin for error.

Which is even more ironic when you remember he wasn’t willing to risk a 4-second margin of error when Worf told him they couldn’t reliably guarantee they could shoot down the probe before it hit the star.

I actually do like Generations for the most part - the final act really undermines the rest of the movie.
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But the scene of the Enterprise crashing on the planet was so awesome.
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He was already getting it on with Dr. Crusher.

He was crushing that Crusher.

Also...Picard doesnt mess with TIMELINES!!

One of the biggest sins of S7 of TNG was an entire episode devoted to finally getting that relationship going only for Crusher to say. "Meh... thanks but no thanks."
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But the scene of the Enterprise crashing on the planet was so awesome.
It still would’ve happened in the loop that sent Picard into the nexus in the first place.
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One of the biggest sins of S7 of TNG was an entire episode devoted to finally getting that relationship going only for Crusher to say. "Meh... thanks but no thanks."

I don't view it as a sin. I view it as a "#### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### this is my dead husband's best friend and the secret father of my child. #### #### #### #### #### #### #### #### ####"


Was never going to work at the first pass, but it confirmed for both of them that they felt the same way.
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