2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

We would have had something instead of nothing.

We got one year of an elite LW and made it to the second round. What return do you think 1 year of Gaudreau (after a couple down years) would have gotten the Team? Better than what we actually got?

[dino7c]

the "better than nothing argument" doesn't really work for me either

Really with hindsight 31 teams should have sold all their UFAs at the deadline and made zero acquisitions since they didn't win

[Ped]

I can't believe this is even an issue. Whether or not Treliving should have sold low on Gaudreau is one thing, but the Flames were legitimate contenders this year. You don't trade your best two players when you feel you have a legitimate shot at it.


Now, maybe with the loss, you can think there are some hols in the lineup, but that doesn't change the fact that virtually everyone had the Flames as contenders, and trading Gaudreau would have been rightfully roasted.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

We would have had something instead of nothing.

Oh yes, the flames really be hurting not gaining a 3rd/4th for his rights.

[Flamesfan05]

How many GMs lost their 2 best players in their prime? Treliving ####ed up and put himself in that position. He saved himself with the Tkachuk trade so far but lots of work left to be seen.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How many GMs lost their 2 best players in their prime? Treliving ####ed up and put himself in that position. He saved himself with the Tkachuk trade so far but lots of work left to be seen.

I didn’t know Treliving had the power to make a big life decision for other human beings

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How many GMs lost their 2 best players in their prime? Treliving ####ed up and put himself in that position. He saved himself with the Tkachuk trade so far but lots of work left to be seen.

Please, instead of just ####ting on Tre - which I know is incredibly fun for some, tell me what was the correct course of action here? A GM is not a dictator, the players actually have quite a bit of autonomy.

[USflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How many GMs lost their 2 best players in their prime? Treliving ####ed up and put himself in that position. He saved himself with the Tkachuk trade so far but lots of work left to be seen.

Both players are American and both capitalized on career years in a Sutter system. Both wanted out of Canada. simple. Not Trelivings fault. I suspect both of them will not perform up to this level on their new teams. Huberdeau was a major reason that Florida had such amazing offense. 85 assists. Take that out and put Tchacuk into that system and they fall immdediately on offense.

[Bonded]

The timing in Gaudreau’s life also could not have been worse for the Flames. If the kid was already born or there wasn't one on the way then I think chances would have been much higher on the stay side.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The timing in Gaudreau’s life also could not have been worse for the Flames. If the kid was already born or there wasn't one on the way then I think chances would have been much higher on the stay side.

Newly married, first child on the way, father's heart issues, COVID. So many major changes in his life near the completion of his contract with the Flames and the timing just didn't work out. That said probably better to have this happen before the contract than just after as if the player isn't happy under a long term deal it's probably not going great for both parties.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The timing in Gaudreau’s life also could not have been worse for the Flames. If the kid was already born or there wasn't one on the way then I think chances would have been much higher on the stay side.

The timing of Gaudreau’s career year was also bad. Had he been coming off years closer to the one he just had or the 99pts in 2019 he would have been in line for the $9.5-10.5M deal the year before free agency and likely signs the deal.

The 2 Covid years he had 107pts in 126 games which rounds up to 70pts per 82 games. That is not a 9.5M salary for a player who at the time was all offense and not the 200ft player he became in his contract year.

Flames likely offered something around 8.5M per and Johnny decided to bet on himself. One spin on this is that Geoff Ward cost this team Bennett and Gaudreau

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Oh yes, the flames really be hurting not gaining a 3rd/4th for his rights.

What?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What?

What do you think they would’ve gotten for Gaudreau’s rights or a year of Gaudreau after underperforming for two years?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by shutout

This is what Duhastchek is always saying that the GM's now are so afraid of being fired that they avoid any risk in the transactions that they make. Their default position is status quo and familiarity.

As fans and media we should be applauding gun slinging, poker playing managers that want to make bold exciting moves instead of looking for the safe, comfortable moves when it comes to trades and signings.

And then you have Cheveldayoff, who seems to have eternal job security and does absolutely nothing except wait for players requests to be traded come public and sells good players for Pennies on the dollar when they refuse to sign. He’s run that Franchise into the ground and then some. What Chipman sees in him is beyond me.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by VilleN

What do you think they would’ve gotten for Gaudreau’s rights or a year of Gaudreau after underperforming for two years?

Nobody mentioned trading his rights. It was about trading him when he had at least a full year left on his contract, or more. I am sure we could have gotten more than a 3rd or 4th round pick.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Nobody mentioned trading his rights. It was about trading him when he had at least a full year left on his contract, or more. I am sure we could have gotten more than a 3rd or 4th round pick.

So get a 1st, contract and a decent prospect was worth more than seeing this team win a round for the first time in 7 years and win the division for the second time in 4 years?

I truly think Treliving shopped Johnny the couple years before the trade and got garbage offers.

What happens if Treliving gets the return of a 70pt player with a year left on his deal and Johnny scores 40+ and 115pts with the new team? He gets shredded for trading an elite player for a mediocre return and the talk will be how the Flames could never get enough out of Gaudreau and the organization is broken etc.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Trading Gaudreau low would have been a horrible idea. If he would have been traded for a late first that may or may not play in the nhl plus a B prospect or something everyone would have flipped. Last year was a great year that ended with a thud. It was still a great ride, trading him at the deadline would have crashed this site. Gaudreau was a 1 year rental for a great season. Anybody that thinks they should have traded him at the deadline is in it for the wrong reasons. Enjoy the great seasons when they happen, you don’t throw them away.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So get a 1st, contract and a decent prospect was worth more than seeing this team win a round for the first time in 7 years and win the division for the second time in 4 years?

I truly think Treliving shopped Johnny the couple years before the trade and got garbage offers.

What happens if Treliving gets the return of a 70pt player with a year left on his deal and Johnny scores 40+ and 115pts with the new team? He gets shredded for trading an elite player for a mediocre return and the talk will be how the Flames could never get enough out of Gaudreau and the organization is broken etc.

A late first. No one was giving a top first rounder for Johnny at that point. he would have been considered a complementary player for a winning team. A Taylor Hall to Boston guy.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

the "better than nothing argument" doesn't really work for me either

Really with hindsight 31 teams should have sold all their UFAs at the deadline and made zero acquisitions since they didn't win

If the Flames had won the cup and Johnny walked for nothing we all would have said the cup was worth it

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A late first. No one was giving a top first rounder for Johnny at that point. he would have been considered a complementary player for a winning team. A Taylor Hall to Boston guy.

I agree it would have been lotto protected or an elite team trading for him.

Some posters on here thought the Flames would need to add to Gaudreau to get Konecny his value was that low