"This Turbolift could fall at any second...and I'm the only one tall enough to escape..."
He clearly had no issue getting up and out of there even with the leg. Just, his first choice was to fall to his death instead of dealing with an Executive Officer of radishes anymore.
He clearly had no issue getting up and out of there even with the leg. Just, his first choice was to fall to his death instead of dealing with an Executive Officer of radishes anymore.
"Hey my line looks to be cut...is this safe?"
Picard: "Sure...hey do I have something on the bottom of my boot? No?" *shoves*
What happened to radish Timmy?
*shrugs*
He wanted to see the battle bridge or some such nonsense. Why do we have kids on these ships anyways? Its not a pleasure cruise.
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I always wondering about that, lets have kids and spouses on the ships of the Federation, that might get into a battle at any time.
And lets have kids on a ship with complex machinery and weapons, and weird intergalactic viruses and energy sucking life forms around.
The biggest industry in the federation would have to be personal injury lawyers.
"If you were dragged into a battle against the Klingon, Romulan or Dominion fleet against your will because your parents live aboard a federation ship.
Of if you were humiliated when an incorporial alien took over your body and made you quote irish poetry.
You need to call Jerry "The Hammer" Shapiro. He'll get you justice and gold plated latinum"
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I think my favourite thing was the two kids on the ship with their parents off the ship on sabbatical. And this is immediately after the incident with the Borg. Their parents were like "#### this we outtie... keep the kids."
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Been watching some DS9 recently. I don’t have nearly the love for this show that some trek fans do. It’s good and goes some interesting directions (war, bajorans/cardassians, race, Dukat, Garak) but it’s clearly a step down from TNG. Some of these episodes are TNG S1 bad. And they don’t have the excuse of being from the late 80s on a shoestring budget being written by Gene Rodenberry’s idiot lawyer. When it was good, it was really good. But when it was bad, it was really bad.
From the ferengies cross dressing to some of the awful romantic relationships to odo being a traitor annd everyone forgetting in 10 minutes, the hilariously bad Kai Vedic stuff etc.
But the worst thing DS9 cursed us with was Section 31. They somehow were simultaneously so grossly incompetent as to be comedic but also omnipotent to a level that belonged in a bad Michael Bay movie. Made all of starfleet look like a bunch of morons. Worse yet they thought it was such a brilliant idea they put it in one of the reboot movies. Ugh.
It’s too bad because there’s so much to like about this series. But section 31 really represented the beginning of the end of classic trek and led directly to godawful garbage like discovery.
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Been watching some DS9 recently. I don’t have nearly the love for this show that some trek fans do. It’s good and goes some interesting directions (war, bajorans/cardassians, race, Dukat, Garak) but it’s clearly a step down from TNG. Some of these episodes are TNG S1 bad. And they don’t have the excuse of being from the late 80s on a shoestring budget being written by Gene Rodenberry’s idiot lawyer. When it was good, it was really good. But when it was bad, it was really bad.
From the ferengies cross dressing to some of the awful romantic relationships to odo being a traitor annd everyone forgetting in 10 minutes, the hilariously bad Kai Vedic stuff etc.
But the worst thing DS9 cursed us with was Section 31. They somehow were simultaneously so grossly incompetent as to be comedic but also omnipotent to a level that belonged in a bad Michael Bay movie. Made all of starfleet look like a bunch of morons. Worse yet they thought it was such a brilliant idea they put it in one of the reboot movies. Ugh.
It’s too bad because there’s so much to like about this series. But section 31 really represented the beginning of the end of classic trek and led directly to godawful garbage like discovery.
Its tough, because DS9 did a really good job of turning Star Trek on its ears. I liked it better the TNG. Thinks weren't all clean in the Federation, Not all of the Federation flew around in luxury hotels. There was crime, and scams, and corrupt Star Fleet officers and organization, and incompetent officers.
Ships got damaged in combat, People died horribly and dirty in ground combat.
That's what I liked about it. The feeling that the Roddenberry Federation was a bit of a facade, and a con, and that the Federation was capable of great damage due to their arrogance and interference.
In TNG ships didn't take damage, they shook a bit, but at the end of the episode all the consoles worked, the carpet was still clean, the replicator still served ice cream, the toilets flushed.
In deep space 9 ships felt like they were dying, there were fires, and exploding consoles and bodies lying around the bridge.
I didn't like voyager, but I give them massive credit for exploring the dying ship concept and the stubborness to obsessiveness of Captains in the two part year in hell.
TNG changed that in the movies a bit, especially in First Contact, but it felt big movie forced.
Even trauma was easy to get over with. In TNG Picard gets kidnapped and altered by the Borg, he supposedly kills hundreds of thousands in his borg controlled rampage. But one visit to his "Brother" and a drunken brawl healed all wounds.
To me, at the end of that episode they could have done amazing work with a battered enterprise and a traumatized captain and crew. And a crippled fleet with the Romulans or Klingons trying to take advantage. And section 31 trying to seize power in the background to more militarize the federation. It could have been a great dark season with a ton of unique storylines.
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I agree with you on pretty much all points. DS9 was a different view of starfleet life than TNG. They each have their strengths and each showed a different side of life on a starship/spacestation.
TNG as more hopeful and DS9 was grittier.
But the way the writers handled Section 31 was so dumb. Only made worse by how they’ve handled it since. The two things I hated most about DS9 was the prophets/pah wraiths/bajoran religious terorrists and section 31.
Take the dominion, the writers made some mistakes along the way. Just like the borg they overpowered the villain (camouflage and being able to transport thru shields should have made this war last 15 minutes, not to mention changelings takin down the federation from the inside but I digress) but if you ignore that, the rest of the dominion, vorta, white addiction was all a great development. They introduced a villain, realized they had something there and low key retconned it by rarely using the superpowers to avoid making the federation get conquered in a week. They made a nice pivot. Sure it doesn’t hold up to in universe logic but who cares, it made better storytelling.
But when it came to section 31 it was like they got all excited about going evil and decided to turn it up to 11. Except they had no plan and ended up making a mockery of starfleet. Like I said, sec 31 always seems to be equally omnipotent yet grossly incompetent at the same time. It was the worst of both worlds.
The idea that there was a breakaway rogue part of starfleet intelligence that splintered off and were basically extrmeists or terrorists was interesting premise. We’d seen similar ideas before where federation/starfleet elements went rogue. Even if they scrapped 31 and just went with a starfleet intelligence angle I’d be happy. We’d seen some good stuff done with starfleet intelligence before (four lights, Orion syndicate etc).
Instead we got an all knowing all powerful but evil section 31 who basically tore down everything they’d spent 40 years establishing about starfleet. And I’m hesitant to talk about how stupid 31 is within the context of the show as far as canon. I’m more looking at it from the lens of the writers wanted to do something, made some terrible missteps and then couldn’t fix it once it became part of canon. Instead of pivoting like they did with the dominion, they doubled down on it and it ended up ruining Star Trek.
