Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Muffins

All it takes is Nurse to get drafted top 5 and Nichuskin going to Nashville or Tampa, and my dream of Barkov will come true.......hopefully

Problem is that I don't see a team in the top 5 that would take Nurse over the forwards available.

[nik-]

Now that he's coming over, and likely to go in top 5, that 3 minutes that Carolina was unable to hold that lead hurts even more.

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Problem is that I don't see a team in the top 5 that would take Nurse over the forwards available.

!00% agree. I would really like to see the Flames move into the top 5. Not sure who the best candidates are to move down though...have read some people suggesting Tampa is possible...maybe Carolina. Don't see anyone else moving out of the top 5 though.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Yep. If he is available at 6, as much as i want a center, i don't think the flames could pass on him.

How far up the draft do you think the #21 and #29-30 could get the flames? Would have to be pretty close to top 10. Could it get us up to #8?

Now that i think of it, trading up to #8 would be a waste if they are after a center. Lindholm and Monahan would be off the board.

ya but they could still be targeting Shinkaruk around #10 so its not a far fetched idea

[sureLoss]

Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 1m A projected Top 5 #NHLDraft2013 prospect Valeri Nichushkin has been named #KHL Rookie of the Year.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Hustle

That second quote about 'something going wrong' still scares me. Sounds like he'd bolt back to the KHL if he doesn't get the icetime that he wants (not that I blame the guy for heading back home to play hockey and get more $$).

I think people read way too much into these little quotes. The guy isn't a native english speaker and it's a one line quote that could easily have more context behind it if we heard the whole interview. Something going wrong can mean a lot of things - it's not necessarily a matter of not getting the ice time he wants. Something going wrong could easily describe a guy like Cervenka too - a guy who just didn't fit in in the North American game.

The kid is leaving for North America after getting screwed around a bit in the KHL. I'd say if anything that makes him a lot less of flight risk since he doesn't exactly have a good memory of being treated well professionally back home.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by fotze

Doesn't there seem to be a real lack of US college prospects this year? Or are they never there in great numbers?

I'm not sure if you are counting the USHL kids, the US high school kids and the US National Development Program Team but most of those kids will end up in college in the next year or two.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Depends... is his hypothetical eligibility based on him being of draft eligible age (so older then he is) or based on the cutoff date being earlier (so same age as now)?

I'd say borderline top 10 for the first instance and top 5 for the second instance.

Yeah it is a bit of a crap shoot just curious as the overall caliber of player he projects to. I know it is a little difficult as he still has one year behind development wise with the current crop.

[dammage79]

Well color me darned excited! Now there's a very good chance Barkov falls to Calgary!

Cannnot see Nichushkin and Drouin falling below TB and NSH.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well color me darned excited! Now there's a very good chance Barkov falls to Calgary!

Cannnot see Nichushkin and Drouin falling below TB and NSH.

who does Carolina take? Even if Nichushkin is taken in the top 5, Barkov likely doesn't slip to out of the top 5

If the Russian is taken in the top 5, it will give the Flames a choice on Lindholm vs Monahan, rather than the one left over

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

who does Carolina take? Even if Nichushkin is taken in the top 5, Barkov likely doesn't slip to out of the top 5

If the Russian is taken in the top 5, it will give the Flames a choice on Lindholm vs Monahan, rather than the one left over

Carolina may take Monahan or Lindholm as well. Just do not know yet.

[Dagger]

TB fans say that there are rumblings that Nichushkin is #1 on their board, and that their head of scouting is in love with the kid. Many Carolina fans seem to think that they'd take Monahan before this Nichushkin news broke, so assuming that's correct they will most likely take Barkov should he be there and Nichuskin gone.

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by Dagger

TB fans say that there are rumblings that Nichushkin is #1 on their board, and that their head of scouting is in love with the kid. Many Carolina fans seem to think that they'd take Monahan before this Nichushkin news broke, so assuming that's correct they will most likely take Barkov should he be there and Nichuskin gone.

That would be a gift. Draft always surprises...and if Barkov fell to 6 that would be one hell of a nice surprise.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Dagger

TB fans say that there are rumblings that Nichushkin is #1 on their board, and that their head of scouting is in love with the kid. Many Carolina fans seem to think that they'd take Monahan before this Nichushkin news broke, so assuming that's correct they will most likely take Barkov should he be there and Nichuskin gone.

Fans don't know jack about who their teams will pick. Absolutely nothing. They can theorize like us but the know nothing about what their teams will do with their picks.

[FlamesAddiction]

One thing I could see happening is Tampa trading down a few spots if they know that Nichushkin is still a possibility. They likely know that neither Nashville or Calgary would want to take the risk on a Russian and they (Tampa) could still draft him while picking up another asset by trading down.

I feel Carolina holds a lot of power there though as I am not sure how Russianphobic they are. If they are unlikely to pick Nichushkin, I think Tampa would entertain trading down 3rd to 6th. Yzerman loves his Russians and came from a system that had a lot of luck with them.

If I am Feaster, I am on the phone with Tampa and Carolina right now to see if there is a deal there.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

One thing I could see happening is Tampa trading down a few spots if they know that Nichushkin is still a possibility. They likely know that neither Nashville or Calgary would want to take the risk on a Russian and they (Tampa) could still draft him while picking up another asset by trading down.

Given what was written above...

“I had already decided that leave for the NHL,” said Nichushkin, who added both the Tampa Bay Lightning and Nashville Predators have expressed interest in drafting him. – “[Dynamo] calmly reacted to this. I was told that I could leave if I want. No legal problems there.”

... If they really want Nichushkin there is no deal to be had.

[ClubFlames]

Don't see why Nashville drafts the Russian after what Radulov did to them.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Don't see why Nashville drafts the Russian after what Radulov did to them.

... Because Nichushkin is not Radulov.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Yep:

Corey Pronman‏@coreypronman7m
Valeri Nichushkin tells RSport.ru he has decided to transfer to North America. Dynamo in the KHL have no issues terminating his contract.

Nichushkin would be a great fit for Tampa. If Nashville or Carolina take a chance on Nurse then we could snag Drouin or Barkov... Very exciting!

Can't believe we have to wait another month for the draft...

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Parallex

... Because Nichushkin is not Radulov.

...oh so he will never bail back to KHL for more ice time and money if things don't work out in NHL? Phew, thanks for clearing that up. Go get em Nashville!