Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Izzle]

CPC stewarding the COVID crisis would have created a much greater problem.

[PepsiFree]

The CPC has lost multiple elections post-Liberal scandals far more extensive and nefarious than a few million spent on a hotel for quarantine purposes. At a certain point, perhaps it would be worthwhile to be critical of a party that cannot seem to score an easy win than critical of the voters unwilling to vote for such a weak, uninspired party.

As much as people lament wasted money and poor procurement from the Liberals, it actually takes more than outhouse jokes and videos holding pieces of wood to beat them. When the CPC is ready to be a serious party again, let us know.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620806027666161664

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620806027666161664

Can't believe anyone would still vote liberal or ndp.

[Yoho]

Starting to peel back the layers of the onion. It would appear this is a very influential man to the liberals.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1620813129084014593

[CaptainCrunch]

How does any consulting firm get what is basically a 77 year contract? That seems to be a way around open and fair competition?

[Doctorfever]

Liberals leaving a legacy.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Can't believe anyone would still vote liberal or ndp.

I can't believe anyone would look at any of the choices and actually think "Yes, this is the perfect party to lead Canada!"

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I can't believe anyone would look at any of the choices and actually think "Yes, this is the perfect party to lead Canada!"

There is no such thing as the perfect party for Canada. Never will be. Fact is Canada is so large with such diverse regions there likely will never be a one size fits all solution.

I know one thing for certain, corruption is running deep and it needs to be cut. Does not matter which party they represent, if they are corrupt they need to be gone. We dont see that happening do we? Cant pin them down when they add a new scandal every other week..

[Locke]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I can't believe anyone would look at any of the choices and actually think "Yes, this is the perfect party to lead Canada!"

I think at this point we'd be better off being ruled by a ChatGTP bot with an iron fist.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

There is no such thing as the perfect party for Canada. Never will be. Fact is Canada is so large with such diverse regions there likely will never be a one size fits all solution.

I know one thing for certain, corruption is running deep and it needs to be cut. Does not matter which party they represent, if they are corrupt they need to be gone. We dont see that happening do we? Cant pin them down when they add a new scandal every other week..

The challenge is that we used to have a reasonably competent opposition to switch between.

Perhaps I am gunshy after Kenny but can you trust someone who suggested to use bitcoin as a currency standard. Even if that was just grandstanding at some point we should trust that he means what he says.

The fact that the party knifed Otoole for being too liberal is problematic. He was the typical face of the old PCs paying lip service to the crazies with policy to the Center.

In an idea situation the liberals would purge themselves but that is difficult for a party to do.

The only good news is that in Alberta we don’t have a vote so we arent forced to decide between the giant ###### and a turd sandwich. At least provincially this is a clear option for those who can get passed a colour.

[Azure]

OToole paying lip service to the crazies but the Liberals are at this point openly corrupt and literally don't care. Which is worse? IMO we are here because of the crazies in the Liberal Party who can't look two feet beyond their nose to understand that there is more at stake than their irrational hatred for the trucking driving rednecks.

We've had governments fall for a lot less. Amazing what it takes to bring this one down.

100 year government contracts for buddies? Nah, give us something worse!

[Northendzone]

i shudder to think about all of the skeleton's that may come tumbling out of the closets if/when the liberals are ever replaced

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I can't believe anyone would look at any of the choices and actually think "Yes, this is the perfect party to lead Canada!"

Yeah it's a pretty grim proposition for sure.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Azure

OToole paying lip service to the crazies but the Liberals are at this point openly corrupt and literally don't care. Which is worse?

If this was the current situation, it would be very easy to answer. The corruption is worse.

But we are not there anymore.

We are currently with PP not only openly courting the crazies but also exposing crazy policy ideas (eg: pegging currency to bitcoin)

Very different set of choices

[CaptainCrunch]

Who knows where its going to go, I doubt we are going to have an election this year. Things are too grim. Its also clear that there's fatigue with the current government. So do the Libs sit on it and wait til next year and pray there's a magic bullet that can put the economy into a more positive spin. Or if as we're hearing the economy is going to be miserable this year, that the Liberals could be in a worse position in 2024?

Who knows. I mean its becoming pretty clear that this Liberal Party is really corrupt. They also have a problem that their cabinet has a ineptitude problem. Omar the Transport guy twice couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phone during the airport crisis and the stranded train issue. I think Freeland has damaged her own brand.

I was hoping that Trudeau would take a walk in the snow for the good of the party and a lot of his cabinet would follow him out.

I think the Conservatives are a mess right now. But they're doing something right in combination to the Libs being the gang that can't shoot right. But we're going to see the start of a negative campaign starting up against the cons and PP as a test run leading to an election.

All Singh does now is complain about evil corporations, and the Liberal's that he's supporting. I'd like to see him take a walk. His popularity hasn't swelled and I feel like he's been out maneuvered hard by the Liberals in this agreement.

Right now Canadian politics are a disaster, the three parties disaster. If an election was held tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Who knows where its going to go, I doubt we are going to have an election this year. Things are too grim. Its also clear that there's fatigue with the current government. So do the Libs sit on it and wait til next year and pray there's a magic bullet that can put the economy into a more positive spin. Or if as we're hearing the economy is going to be miserable this year, that the Liberals could be in a worse position in 2024?

Who knows. I mean its becoming pretty clear that this Liberal Party is really corrupt. They also have a problem that their cabinet has a ineptitude problem. Omar the Transport guy twice couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phone during the airport crisis and the stranded train issue. I think Freeland has damaged her own brand.

I was hoping that Trudeau would take a walk in the snow for the good of the party and a lot of his cabinet would follow him out.

I think the Conservatives are a mess right now. But they're doing something right in combination to the Libs being the gang that can't shoot right. But we're going to see the start of a negative campaign starting up against the cons and PP as a test run leading to an election.

All Singh does now is complain about evil corporations, and the Liberal's that he's supporting. I'd like to see him take a walk. His popularity hasn't swelled and I feel like he's been out maneuvered hard by the Liberals in this agreement.

Right now Canadian politics are a disaster, the three parties disaster. If an election was held tomorrow I'd spoil my ballot.

I suspect we are in a stalemate situation and nothing really happens. The Liberals aren't under any pressure from the opposition because of the NDP. The NDP don't seem to be interested or willing to push the Liberals or bring down the government. I expect everyone will just sit on their hands, continue to do what they are doing now and ride this out until the last possible minute for the next election. That also gives the Liberals plenty of time to find and groom a potential new leader to replace Trudeau.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Azure

OToole paying lip service to the crazies but the Liberals are at this point openly corrupt and literally don't care. Which is worse? IMO we are here because of the crazies in the Liberal Party who can't look two feet beyond their nose to understand that there is more at stake than their irrational hatred for the trucking driving rednecks.

As far as I remember, O’Toole clearly stated what the CPC had to become to win the election (shortly after losing his because he lost too many centrist CPC voters by giving into party demands to cater to the crazies) and he was promptly booted from the party.

It doesn’t really matter whether paying lip service to the crazies is worse than corruption. One loses you elections easily, the other doesn’t so much. That’s reality, tough breaks. O’Toole knew that, and they removed him for it. Pretty stupid.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Azure

OToole paying lip service to the crazies but the Liberals are at this point openly corrupt and literally don't care. Which is worse? IMO we are here because of the crazies in the Liberal Party who can't look two feet beyond their nose to understand that there is more at stake than their irrational hatred for the trucking driving rednecks.

We've had governments fall for a lot less. Amazing what it takes to bring this one down.

100 year government contracts for buddies? Nah, give us something worse!

Here's the thing.
If I had any faith that the CPC had the ability to effectively govern, to not court the extreme right wing of their party/society, to actually act on things line climate change, to not marginalize already marginalized groups, and had any sort of track record that they were actually good for the economy (even Alberta's) then I would probably vote for them.
The don't.
The CPC looks like such a terrible option, that I'm willing to accept some level of open corruption as the lesser of two evils.

This isn't some sort of argument of "You think the Liberals are bad, just think how bad the CPC would be" based on nothing, this is based on exactly what PP has shown, and told me who he is/what he wants to do.

All he has done so far is come up with pithy nicknames for people/policies.
He hasn't offered anything resembling an alternative plant/solution to any of our problems.

I'm not gonna vote for a party who has no interest in fixing problems, because they think the existence of those problems is what will get them elected.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Here's the thing.
If I had any faith that the CPC had the ability to effectively govern, to not court the extreme right wing of their party/society, to actually act on things line climate change, to not marginalize already marginalized groups, and had any sort of track record that they were actually good for the economy (even Alberta's) then I would probably vote for them.
The don't.
The CPC looks like such a terrible option, that I'm willing to accept some level of open corruption as the lesser of two evils.

This isn't some sort of argument of "You think the Liberals are bad, just think how bad the CPC would be" based on nothing, this is based on exactly what PP has shown, and told me who he is/what he wants to do.

All he has done so far is come up with pithy nicknames for people/policies.
He hasn't offered anything resembling an alternative plant/solution to any of our problems.

I'm not gonna vote for a party who has no interest in fixing problems, because they think the existence of those problems is what will get them elected.

This is a pretty good example of the current rift in Canadian politics and the Canadian population.

CPC had the ability to effectively govern, to not court the extreme right wing of their party/society.

People have allowed themselves to fall into the same issues we see in the US, Where people wont even talk to each other if they are of opposing political views. People have been coerced into believing those on the other side are this evil entity. Right wing has been allowed to become this means to make others less then. Edit: This goes both ways

had any sort of track record that they were actually good for the economy (even Alberta's) then I would probably vote for them.
The don't.
Moot point at best , as its very clear the liberal government as elected are incapable of even understanding fiscal policy.

I'm willing to accept some level of open corruption as the lesser of two evils.
What level of corruption do you feel is acceptable? When will it cross the line for you into not acceptable? This is a problem no matter the level, How would you feel if this was occurring with a government you didn't find yourself aligned with?

I'm not gonna vote for a party who has no interest in fixing problems, because they think the existence of those problems is what will get them elected.
It is very clear, at this point in time, you will not find the resolutions to the problems being suggested by the opposition on main stream media. You want to find PP thoughts on how he is going to resolve what he believes to be current Canadian issues, you are going to need to look elsewhere, He has many. Many wont bother to look however, because sometimes, we dont want to find out.



I see this post as finding reasons why its not in your interest to vote conservative. Some level of moral checklist of why its ok to support a proven failing government with corruption issues.



I get it, your values align with a more social platform, and that is completely fine, everyone is different in this country, lets try not to demonize those with different views then yourself.