[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[chemgear]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324736864511614976

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

I don't think so. Trump is a typical bully that as soon as he's faced with actual consequences for his actions will run away.

Yea, I'll bet he disappears before Biden's inauguration and skips the country. Maybe start up his own MAGA TV network.

[Red]

Biden being good or bad candidate can be determined by how many Dems stayed home or voted Trump.

He had a good turnout, better than Obama. But how many of those were Republican never Trumpers?

Hard to tell, but Biden did pretty good either way. Would be hard to call him the worst. Or bad for that matter. And give Trump credit. He mobilized his supporters too. But Biden still beat him.

He won, that's good. Now how does he govern with Turtle still in charge. Would Mayor Pete or Bernie get better help from Mitch? A gay guy or a socialist? How about Yang, would Mitch work with an asian? Those guys are such opposites of what Republicans believe in. Mitch would feel obligated to shut them out. Biden on the other hand, a centrist Democrat, old and white. Checks all boxed except party affiliation.

Time will tell.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Biden is a horrible candidate. Always has been, always will be. He was a distant 4th at the start of the primaries until all the other candidates dropped out very early and pledged their allegiance to Biden to prevent Sanders from coming close to winning.

Biden almost lost to the worst president in history.

They won despite Biden, not because of Biden. Did your somehow forget everything that happened in the last 4 years, and Trump still almost squeaked a victory? The country was literally burning in flames!

There is a very high likelyhood that the pandemic is what caused the tipping scale, as the American economy was in great shape prior.

Now obviously Obama couldn't run, but do you think for one second that Trump would have ever come close to winning in 2016 let alone in 2020 if the Democrats ran a candidate that was not part of the old guard? The DNC was forced to dust off Biden to put him in as a recognizable name after Clinton's humiliating defeat in 2016.

In 2015 Biden was largely seen as unelectable where he stepped aside to have Clinton take the Democrats to the presidency, in 2019 he was the only thing the Democrats had in the cupboards. They didn't have an Obama waiting in the wings ready and Kamala Harris is too polarizing to really get the same results at least at this time.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...iden-didnt-run

Closing comments from 2015:



We are day 4 with an election where cocky posters were arrogantly touting right before the election that this will be a total landslide victory, with electoral seats as high as 368. This was the same arrogance and ignorance that got Trump elected to begin with.

And since I have to spell it out to some of the mindthink because any attempt to provide an argument gets met by disdain.

No. One. Likes. Trump. Here. No. One. Wanted. Trump. To. Win. Here.

Biden is still a horrible candidate that almost cost us 4 more years of Trump.

God I hate this narrative, the US economy wasnt in great shape, Trump borrowed 2 trillion dollars, fully 10% of the national debt, in order to give the US a huge tax break without paying for it by budget cuts or anything else that would normally depress the economy by as much as a tax cut inflates it, the US economy wasn't in great shape, it was (and is) on a debt loaded sugar high, you or I can max out our credit cards for a year or so and it will feel pretty good but it all has to be paid for.

Any moron can borrow money

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If it's a who is better test and you get 51 and the other person gets 49, yeah I guess so. How can you tell there was a better student if they weren't allowed to take the test? You can suppose someone would be better, but there's no guarantees. Biden will be winning this election because the suburbs in key states swung back his way. Was any other candidate gonna appeal more to the suburbs? Again, I'm very skeptical.

That's the point. It isn't definitive. Opinions of who might be the best candidate are not proven right or wrong, based on a single vote over 2 people. It is possible that ALL of the Democratic candidates would have won. But we can't know, by definition.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Who would you have picked for the Democrat ticket?

In hindsight it's a moot point as Biden still won and was the DNC choice, but I think they should have just ran with Sanders and see what happens, but we know this would have never happened as he's not a Democrat. I like Klobuchar but she isn't ready. I think Biden was still better then Warren as a candidate.

That's the issue with putting all their eggs in one basket with Clinton. There was no one groomed ready in the wings. Clinton was supposed to be president in 2016 and 2020, paving the way for the next person in line (would have likely been Klobuchar).

It's not so much that Biden was not the best choice, it's that the Democrats really didn't have much ready. Biden was the old guard and the safe choice and Democrats went for the old good pair of shoes they knew.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

God I hate this narrative, the US economy wasnt in great shape, Trump borrowed 2 trillion dollars, fully 10% of the national debt, in order to give the US a huge tax break without paying for it by budget cuts or anything else that would normally depress the economy by as much as a tax cut inflates it, the US economy wasn't in great shape, it was (and is) on a debt loaded sugar high, you or I can max out our credit cards for a year or so and it will feel pretty good but it all has to be paid for.

Any moron can borrow money

But Trump is an expert in borrowing money.

He started young.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, if you were the only one who passed, then... yeah.

But I do agree with you. The best candidate to win the primary does not necessarily equal the best candidate to win the general. But in this case, I think it turned out that they picked the right guy. Of the options available I just cannot see anyone else doing better.

I think Harris as VP pick was a dumb mistake, I said so at the time and my view hasn't changed. I think there were other options who would have helped more in Florida, Georgia or the Midwest. Harris turned out to be pretty much neutral in terms of her impact, it seems to me.

And I don't disagree with that. My point was more one of disappointment that we had to settle for "I just cannot see anyone else doing better".

[comrade]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Yea, I'll bet he disappears before Biden's inauguration and skips the country. Maybe start up his own MAGA TV network.

There's no way he disappears. It's obvious that he can grift America right now and that's the entire purpose of his being. Considering everything we know about the Trump "empire" it seems obvious staying in the spotlight would be far more lucrative for them than real estate.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Firebot

No. One. Likes. Trump. Here. No. One. Wanted. Trump. To. Win. Here.

Biden is still a horrible candidate that almost cost us 4 more years of Trump.

You can't prove a negative.
We know Biden, or at least it's pretty certain, beat Trump.
We know that.
We don't know if anyone else would have. We can speculate but we don't know.
I'll take the certain outcome over the unknown.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

God I hate this narrative, the US economy wasnt in great shape, Trump borrowed 2 trillion dollars, fully 10% of the national debt, in order to give the US a huge tax break without paying for it by budget cuts or anything else that would normally depress the economy by as much as a tax cut inflates it, the US economy wasn't in great shape, it was (and is) on a debt loaded sugar high, you or I can max out our credit cards for a year or so and it will feel pretty good but it all has to be paid for.

Any moron can borrow money

Economy is relative. Had the world not spent their way out of the 2009 crisis the recovery may never have occurred. Most certainly you haven't forgotten about quantitative easing?

Stock market was at all time highs, US unemployment in December 2019 was at 3.5% the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, interest rates were being raised.

By all accounts, the economy was in solid shape in 2019 even if more borrowing was happening.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

God I hate this narrative, the US economy wasnt in great shape, Trump borrowed 2 trillion dollars, fully 10% of the national debt, in order to give the US a huge tax break without paying for it by budget cuts or anything else that would normally depress the economy by as much as a tax cut inflates it, the US economy wasn't in great shape, it was (and is) on a debt loaded sugar high, you or I can max out our credit cards for a year or so and it will feel pretty good but it all has to be paid for.

Any moron can borrow money

True. But Trump makes borrowing money an art form. A way of life, even!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324736864511614976

Join request sent.

[Yamer]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324747632808468483

[direwolf]

Alright, let's call this thing already.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324743954135470081

[Enoch Root]

CNN is reporting that Romney has spoken out much more sternly about Trump's actions. (Maybe someone can find the tweet and post it, please?)

Finally. We need more of this. Trump is trying to undermine democracy. Republicans have to speak out about this because other Republicans - the ones that need to hear it - won't hear, or listen, if the message comes from Democrats.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324736864511614976

Did the group creator just troll them by luring them in first on purpose?

If so, *slow clap*

[rubecube]

The Democrats need to start getting out front of this disinformation campaign by the Republicans regarding voter fraud. Just watched Newt Gingrich lie his ass off on Fox News for 5 minutes straight.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by enoch root

cnn is reporting that romney has spoken out much more sternly about trump's actions. (maybe someone can find the tweet and post it, please?)

finally. We need more of this. Trump is trying to undermine democracy. Republicans have to speak out about this because other republicans - the ones that need to hear it - won't hear, or listen, if the message comes from democrats.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324763757105602561

[Red]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The Democrats need to start getting out front of this disinformation campaign by the Republicans regarding voter fraud. Just watched Newt Gingrich lie his ass off on Fox News for 5 minutes straight.

And legitimize them? I think they are better off laughing them off "if" asked directly. Otherwise, leave it alone. You are not convincing a Trumper anyways.