I'm amazed at how many oil fans think that Puljujarvi may be available at 4.
It wouldn't be the biggest surprise ever... I can see Tkachuk or Dubois going at #3, it's totally possible.
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Yeah, Gagner's line was -4 and Kessel's was +4, so it all evened out.
If the Oilers packaged #4 along with RNH, I'm curious what top d man might be made available???
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Puljujarvi has the potential to be the best or second best player in the draft. I'd find out what the bjs want to make a deal happen and then do it. I'm sure BT and co will find a way to get them down from their original asking price. I'd give up quite a bit to get Puljujarvi and not because of the "shiny new toy syndrome" it would be because he has the size, speed, skill and potential to grow to and be a franchise player, plus he's exactly the kind of player this team needs now and moving forward. Getting him would also mean the flames don't have to go out and spend bi money on a UFA top 6. Getting a kid who could make the team at the start of an ELC alone gives the team a lot of cap space for a few years.
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It wouldn't be the biggest surprise ever... I can see Tkachuk or Dubois going at #3, it's totally possible.
Really? More fool me. I thought it was a lock that he goes 3, shows what I know. Surely they'd do a deal if they weren't going to take him as opposed to just passing on him?
Really? More fool me. I thought it was a lock that he goes 3, shows what I know. Surely they'd do a deal if they weren't going to take him as opposed to just passing on him?
Trading down doesn't work, necessarily, if you know who you want and they're also highly ranked.
Ex. If Columbus wants Dubois, they can really only trade with Edmonton, otherwise they risk losing their guy...and then, it becomes a bluffing game as Edmonton would have to believe they're going to take the Fin.
Ex. No one thought Seth Jones would drop to #4 in his draft...sure, Tampa could have traded down before taking Drouin, but their only options were to find a deal with Florida or maybe Nashville (which may even have seemed too risky, depending on if they thought someone had Barkov rated highly)
Anyway, the Fin dropping to #4 wouldn't be totally shocking to me, especially with Dubois being a C...and Tkachuk having such a solid playoff.
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Yeah, Gagner's line was -4 and Kessel's was +4, so it all evened out.
Anything can happen but the Jackets passing on Puljujarvi would be quite a shock in my opinion. I think the top 3 is pretty much set regardless of who is picking there. If the Flames were picking at 4 and we were talking about him dropping to us - I would say that was wishful thinking.
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I'm amazed at how many oil fans think that Puljujarvi may be available at 4.
It wouldn't be out of the question that he has a better NHL career than Laine as Puljujarvi is a more well rounded player and is a considerably better prospect than Tkachuk or Dubois. No way he gets past 3rd and no way the Jackets even consider trading out of that spot.
Yeah if it came to rolling the dice I would go Jost, Keller (flip a coin with him and Jost really), Brown in that order. I feel Brown has the highest bust factor of all the prospects we have been discussing that can be picked in the top 10.
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In Russia yesterday, Brad Treliving is off to Red Deer today for Brandon-London. It's as if there are some draft prospects he's keen to see.
First thing would be to see who either doesnt have a NTC/NMC or would actually be willing to waive to go to there. List is pretty small methinks.
They will likely look for RFA aged guys who cant have NMC or NTC to block a deal. Still thats a very limited market. The media is 100% sold that it will happen and that RNH or Eberle will be enough to get it done with draft picks.
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Trading down doesn't work, necessarily, if you know who you want and they're also highly ranked.
Ex. If Columbus wants Dubois, they can really only trade with Edmonton, otherwise they risk losing their guy...and then, it becomes a bluffing game as Edmonton would have to believe they're going to take the Fin.
Ex. No one thought Seth Jones would drop to #4 in his draft...sure, Tampa could have traded down before taking Drouin, but their only options were to find a deal with Florida or maybe Nashville (which may even have seemed too risky, depending on if they thought someone had Barkov rated highly)
Anyway, the Fin dropping to #4 wouldn't be totally shocking to me, especially with Dubois being a C...and Tkachuk having such a solid playoff.
They could trade after the draft, but that never seems to happen. I remember the Raptors didn't draft Vince Carter but 'traded down' for him when he was taken with the next pick. That's the only case I can think of.
They could trade after the draft, but that never seems to happen. I remember the Raptors didn't draft Vince Carter but 'traded down' for him when he was taken with the next pick. That's the only case I can think of.
That used to happen in the NBA quite frequently. 93 the Magic drafted Chris Webber and traded him to the Warriors for the 3rd pick Penny Hardaway (notnsure what else was in the deal). In 96 the Bucks drafted Marbury and traded him to the Wolves for Ray Allen who they just picked one spot later.
I could maybe just maybe see the Leafs and Yotes pulling off a deal based around Matthews and #7+Strome+? If the Leafs want a guy like Nylander maybe they would consider moving Matthews if they could get several other pieces in return? Still highly doubtful.
As for the Oilers I could see the slight chance that Subban is moved they offer RNH+4th+Nurse. That way the Habs get a young centre, Dman, and can draft Dubois and pick a Dman at 9. They take a big step back but also move forward with younger players to build around. The Oilers get their number 1 right shot D in his prime
Jost. Probably not our guy but boy was he impressive at the U18s, I'd take him over Keller
Wow, shades of Toews.
I would honestly be stoked if he was our pick (at six, or if we trade down a couple places). It looks like he is more than comfortable on the right side as well.
Something about this draft suggests to me that guys like Keller, Jost, Fabbro, etc. will be much more successful than Dubois, Tkachuk, and the big 3 D. Just a hunch.
Something about this draft suggests to me that guys like Keller, Jost, Fabbro, etc. will be much more successful than Dubois, Tkachuk, and the big 3 D. Just a hunch.
I think your hunch is fair. The way the rankings are, they're influenced greatly by CHL bias.
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Wow, shades of Toews.
I would honestly be stoked if he was our pick (at six, or if we trade down a couple places). It looks like he is more than comfortable on the right side as well.
Something about this draft suggests to me that guys like Keller, Jost, Fabbro, etc. will be much more successful than Dubois, Tkachuk, and the big 3 D. Just a hunch.
I think they all look promising. And this is why I think this draft has an extremely good top end. If players like Jost, Fabbro and Keller are likely to go in the teens then that's a strong top end. I mean Jost would go top 8 some weaker drafts. I like Fabbro as much as Hadyn Fleury who went top 7 IIRC. I think the big 3 d-men all have a higher upside than Fleury. IMO a fair chunk of the top 20 could be top 10 picks in a draft with a thinner top end.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty excited about a bunch of players in the teens. Not that I think trading down is the answer. But I think it shows the depth of the top end when we're talking about this many names. I've seen people suggest we draft Tkachuk, Dubois, Sergachev, Chychrun, Juolevi, Nylander, McLeod, Jost, Keller, and Brown. And none of those are completely outlandish suggestions. But obviously the Flames scouts will have their favourites.
It's going to be an interesting draft to watch going forward. I think you are right in that a couple of the better players in this draft will come out of the teens. But I'm still pretty high on Tkachuk, Dubois and the 3 dmen myself. I don't consider Fabbro much of a step down from them.
