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Old 07-09-2023, 11:41 AM   #4201
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Yay a hit!
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:16 PM   #4202
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This team is more pretender than contender.
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:21 PM   #4203
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Trending towards another shutout today it seems.
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:26 PM   #4204
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Missed strike 3 call leads to a solo homerun.
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:39 PM   #4205
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not good enough...they are just not good enough.
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:55 PM   #4206
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Very little hard contact from the Jays bats.
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:56 PM   #4207
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I really do hate this team right now.

Is this going to be their 5th shutout this month? 6 including the first 10 innings of that game against the White Sox? How Martinez, Mattingly, hell even Schneider, all still have their jobs is beyond me. Something is amiss with their approach and they're getting exposed massively.
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Old 07-09-2023, 12:58 PM   #4208
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That’s the big problem with this team. It’s a lot of good players and they’re playing well it not playing great. Here let me copy a post from another board I follow about the Jays.

Checking how the Jays sOPS+ is vs the AL only how are they? sOPS+ is OPS+ vs others at the same position in the AL only. 14 teams to compare to.
C: 100 (7th), 1B: 111 (3rd), 2B: 85 (9th), 3B: 113 (5th), SS: 135 (2nd), LF: 82 (11th), CF: 96 (10th), RF: 105 (6th), DH: 110 (7th).
So below the median (7 1/2) at 2B, LF, CF only. sOPS+ of 85-82-96 for those positions with crazy good defense in LF/CF.

FanGraphs gives us WAR by position by team. How do the Jays do that way?

C: 1.8 #5; 1B: 1.4 #4; 2B: 1.6 #4; 3B: 2.7 #4; SS: 3.3 #3; LF: 2.3 #6; CF: 2.8 #5; RF: 1.4 #8; DH: 0.7 #8; NP: 14.9 #4


The problem is not that this team lacks depth or good players. They have that. The problem is this team lacks any superstars that would complement good players. Bo is trying but he’s not enough on his own. Springer used to be that but at this age he’s more just a good player. Vlad was supposed to be that but clearly isn’t. This teams issue is they don’t have great position players. They have plenty of good ones though which makes upgrading things tough. The number of players available that are better than the current ones are small. Obviously there is a need for a RH hitting OF that can hit LHP to platoon with Varsho and spell Belt but other than that hard to say where any reasonable upgrade is.
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:00 PM   #4209
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Top of the lineup coming up here in the ninth. We’ll see what they’re made of I guess.
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:02 PM   #4210
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What a horrible ball club.

Edit. I am mistaken! They only half suck. What a clutch hit by Jano!

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Old 07-09-2023, 02:05 PM   #4211
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Danny Frggin Jansen

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Old 07-09-2023, 02:05 PM   #4212
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Holy cow
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:06 PM   #4213
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:06 PM   #4214
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Hey the pathetic boys tied it!
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:07 PM   #4215
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That was a incredibly pathetic AB from Kirk
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:07 PM   #4216
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The good catcher comes up big. The big catcher comes up…not.
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:09 PM   #4217
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Garcia comes in to pitch.

I don't have a good feeling about this. Please prove me wrong.
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:16 PM   #4218
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Garcia comes in to pitch.

I don't have a good feeling about this. Please prove me wrong.
I feel shame for doubting him now. Great job Yimi.
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Old 07-09-2023, 02:18 PM   #4219
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Garcia is totally fine as long as he’s not overworked. Just don’t use him back to back. Bo and Vlad again didn’t perform.
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I feel shame for doubting him now. Great job Yimi.
Never feel shame for for doubting someone who has given you nothing but reason to doubt.

Do be happily surprised when they actually deliver.
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