Your belief about September, 11th, 2001

[photon]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Not once has any of the talking head morons who call themselves "journalists" actually had a debate on the facts with a qualified person like Richard Gage. All they do is put out crap articles here and there like Popular Mechanics did.......

A Google search shows that Gage has in fact had debates, which is more than not once. If you can't even get that kind of fact right, why in the world should anyone trust your judgment with respect to something far more complicated like a collapsing building?

And of course debates aren't actually useful for determining if something is correct or not, they're just good at deciding who the better debater is.

That's why science is done through peer review and scientific journals, not debates.

And of course it's amusing that you use underlines and "scary quotes" to try and make it seem like Gage is important because no one will "debate" him, while at the same time don't use the same emphasis to draw attention to the criticisms of Gage's works, by other truthers even.

Of course maybe he's responded since I last paid attention to this stuff. But he might just be a hyperspace alien too.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The mainstream media laughs any talk of 9/11 conspiracy away.

Not once has any of the talking head morons who call themselves "journalists" actually had a debate on the facts with a qualified person like Richard Gage. All they do is put out crap articles here and there like Popular Mechanics did.......

If you think the mainstream media is so great, you should google "Operation Mockingbird". This happened many years ago, but to assume it doesn't happen today is sadly naive. News networks are funded by giant corporations who have their own interests.

An example of this is MSNBC, who is owned in part by General Electric. They manufacture parts for General Dynamics, which builds weapons and war machines....so why would their journalists be allowed to speak out against the war on terror? Kind of a conflict of interest.

And this is why I don't buy what so called truthers are trying to sell. Because their theories are based very little on factual evidence, and to support their theories and cover their holes they make up even more ominous conspiracys .

If I went by how these people think, there are only 13 people that aren't involved in 9/11 and thats because they were on the football field wearing green in last years Grey Cup.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by photon

A Google search shows that Gage has in fact had debates, which is more than not once. If you can't even get that kind of fact right, why in the world should anyone trust your judgment with respect to something far more complicated like a collapsing building?

And of course debates aren't actually useful for determining if something is correct or not, they're just good at deciding who the better debater is.

That's why science is done through peer review and scientific journals, not debates.

And of course it's amusing that you use underlines and "scary quotes" to try and make it seem like Gage is important because no one will "debate" him, while at the same time don't use the same emphasis to draw attention to the criticisms of Gage's works, by other truthers even.

Of course maybe he's responded since I last paid attention to this stuff. But he might just be a hyperspace alien too.

I really want to emphasize the letter that Photon aluded to in his truthers link. Its quite awesome, well written and explains a lot of the things that have been talked about in this thread

http://www.cool-places.0catch.com/91...ichardGage.pdf

[CaptainCrunch]

Don't forget Photon Ron Avery was born a woman, became a man and the Jesus converted him to an Alien.

His interview in the weekly universe is a must read

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/2003/avery.htm

Avery writes in after he feels he's slighted

http://www.weeklyuniverse.com/skies/skies7.htm

[Nuje]

*sigh* and the conspiracy theorists continue to look in the wrong place. Listen, if even if the government was involved, or even directly responsible, what motivation would they have to a bunch of risky extra-curricular work like secretly setting up buildings that are being used for a controlled demolition?

The planes were hijacked. They hit the buildings. Even if they somehow managed to stay in-tact, or fell differently (perhaps just falling over sideways, which would happen with only the part above impact at worst), they'd still be able to just as easily consider Al Qaeda responsible, go into Afghanistan, and somehow parlay that into an Iraq invasion as well.

While I'll agree that the government certainly did gain some benefit from this disaster, why in the hell would they jeopardize it by raising doubt?

[Mirajj]

Originally Posted by Nuje

Listen, if even if the government was involved, or even directly responsible, what motivation would they have to a bunch of risky extra-curricular work like secretly setting up buildings that are being used for a controlled demolition?

Not to mention, it's not like demolitions work like they do in the movies. You can't slap a little bit of plastique on a girder and bring a whole building down. Do people honestly think that a small army of folks walked into the buildings, set the explosives perfectly, and then walked out with no one the wiser?

[Devils'Advocate]

If they were going to go through the bother of blowing up the World Trade Center towers and crashing into the Pentagon, why couldn't the government have at least planted some WMDs? I would think the latter would be easier to conspire to do, no?

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

If they were going to go through the bother of blowing up the World Trade Center towers and crashing into the Pentagon, why couldn't the government have at least planted some WMDs? I would think the latter would be easier to conspire to do, no?

Well just to play devil's advocate, if you were going to conspire about faking WMDs, there's no real need to find the WMDs as they have already got what they wanted, an invasion of Iraq. The WMD thing was a conspiracy of sorts though, as they didn't really care if Saddam had weapons or not, and they knew there was a good chance they wouldn't find any.

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by Mirajj

Not to mention, it's not like demolitions work like they do in the movies. You can't slap a little bit of plastique on a girder and bring a whole building down. Do people honestly think that a small army of folks walked into the buildings, set the explosives perfectly, and then walked out with no one the wiser?

Yeah. It takes a very long time to set up a building for demolition, and that's when it's already been emptied and stripped out. Until someone that is not insane themselves says that they saw that sort of thing being set up at any point, I think that's proof enough that the cause of the WTC was the planes hitting it.

I repeat, there was no controlled demolition aspect of the twin towers collapsing. The lack of witnesses to see anybody ever setting up explosives there is indisputable proof.

[photon]

Hyperspace aliens could do it.

[transplant99]

Im still waiting for anyone who believes that the government was behind this whole thing to answer one simple question.

Why attack the Pentagon? What did that allow in terms of going to war that demolishing the towers wouldn't have?

Just a simple logical explanation as to why they would attack themselves, literally, would sure be appreciated.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by Nuje

Yeah. It takes a very long time to set up a building for demolition, and that's when it's already been emptied and stripped out. Until someone that is not insane themselves says that they saw that sort of thing being set up at any point, I think that's proof enough that the cause of the WTC was the planes hitting it.

I repeat, there was no controlled demolition aspect of the twin towers collapsing. The lack of witnesses to see anybody ever setting up explosives there is indisputable proof.

Thats incorrect.
Simple as that.

[photon]

You're incorrect.
Simple as that.

See, unsubstantiated claims are easy and fun for the whole family!

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by photon

You're incorrect.
Simple as that.

See, unsubstantiated claims are easy and fun for the whole family!

No, im not incorrect.
Read what he said.

There were aspects of a controlled demolition.

[puckluck]

Please show or explain what the aspects of a controlled demolition were. If a billion or whatever tonnes of something collapses on itself what the hell else is supposed to happen?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Thats correct.
Simple as that.

I fixed the typo for you.

Surely that had to be a typo.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Please show or explain what the aspects of a controlled demolition were. If a billion or whatever tonnes of something collapses on itself what the hell else is supposed to happen?

Take a look here.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569606/pg1

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by T@T

I fixed the typo for you.

Surely that had to be a typo.

Nope.
It was not.

Solid attempt at being witty, though.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Take a look here.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread569606/pg1

I read the article and it was finished off with this

On a side note, CDI has denied any knowledge of Sullivan being employed by them. Thankfully, Sullivan has kept his credentials which were verified by AE911T. Sullivan's credentials were also verified by KPFA

(Guns and Butter radio) for a segment that involved Sullivan.



Lol so the company he supposedly worked for doesn't even know who he is?

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by puckluck

I read the article and it was finished off with this

On a side note, CDI has denied any knowledge of Sullivan being employed by them. Thankfully, Sullivan has kept his credentials which were verified by AE911T. Sullivan's credentials were also verified by KPFA

(Guns and Butter radio) for a segment that involved Sullivan.

Lol

Uh, what?

He has his credentials.