Anonymous Poll: Should homosexuals be allowed to get married?

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

My only real reasoning is that i don't think that there's any way that i would have felt comfortable with being placed into that situation and i know it would have messed my head up pretty well.

Now this is rock solid logic.

I am afraid of heights.
I feel uncomfortable when being put in situations where there are heights.
Being far away from the ground messages with my head.

Therefore no one should be able to more than 2 feet away from the surface of the earth at any given time.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

When were you last in High School?

2003-2005 I think it was. High school wouldn't be as bad. I agree that kids are mostly calmed down by then, but in junior high kids were verbally abused until they cut themselves amongst other things.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by J pold

Now this is rock solid logic.

I am afraid of heights.
I feel uncomfortable when being put in situations where there are heights.
Being far away from the ground messages with my head.

Therefore no one should be able to more than 2 feet away from the surface of the earth at any given time.

I'm not afraid of gays. I'm disgusted by them. I don't mean to insult anyone by saying that. It's just how i am. I wasn't raised by some bigot or anything like that. It's just how i am. I respect their right to do whatever they want. Hell, i see heterosexual couples kiss and cuddle in public once in a while and i don't mind if homosexual couples do too. But, when it comes to something that seems to be embedded in some of our genetic make up, I don't think kids should be put into a situation like that without being old enough to give consent.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

The biggest thing for me is still the personal discomfort that it would cause alot of people.

How do you know that they would be personally be discomforted? If someone has only know two gay people to be their parents for their entire lives why would they feel discomfort? There has been documented cases of people raising apes from the date of birth until maturity and the apes found it to be perfectly normal and adjusted to the situation.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This is mass-media influence at work here.

The mantra is this: Gays are better people than you and if you disagree than you must hate gays.

You said it made you uncomfortable when a gay man was called mom, that speaks to your fear or thought that homosexuality is corrupt or perverse. Homosexuality is no more perverse than heterosexuality and to think of it as such is wrong. I'll let you decide if you're afraid of homosexuality or just bigoted against it.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

I'm not afraid of gays. I'm disgusted by them. I don't mean to insult anyone by saying that.

The only person you are insulting by saying that is yourself.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

You said it made you uncomfortable when a gay man was called mom, that speaks to your fear or thought that homosexuality is corrupt or perverse. Homosexuality is no more perverse than heterosexuality and to think of it as such is wrong. I'll let you decide if you're afraid of homosexuality or just bigoted against it.

A man being called "mom" is a corruption of what a "mom" is. That isn't a position of fear but, rather of common sense.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

Maybe when they're at a really young age,but, by about Jr High the cat would be out of the bag and the onslaught would commence. Maybe they get lucky and aren't at a school like the one i grew up going to, maybe not. The biggest thing for me is still the personal discomfort that it would cause alot of people.

My brother is out as gay in Junior High School and he is not bullied at all and has lots of friends. In fact, he told me the other day he's never been more popular.

I will add integration caused a lot of discomfort as well. That really doesn't matter at all. Being uncomfortable with it is not OK. It's understandable but something you must work beyond.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by J pold

How do you know that they would be personally be discomforted? If someone has only know two gay people to be their parents for their entire lives why would they feel discomfort? There has been documented cases of people raising apes from the date of birth until maturity and the apes found it to be perfectly normal and adjusted to the situation.

I can't guarantee that they all would. I can't guarantee that the majority would. I'm sure we can both agree that some of them would definitely not take to it though. It's for the sake of those people, however large the percentage of them would be, that i'm against gays being able to adopt young children and infants.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by J pold

The only person you are insulting by saying that is yourself.

Well, thats good.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

My brother is out as gay in Junior High School and he is not bullied at all and has lots of friends. In fact, he told me the other day he's never been more popular.

Thats good and he shouldn't be bullied for it.

[Weiser Wonder]

Calgaryborn, I have told you this before, but I will never reply seriously to your posts. The only reason I don't have you on ignore is morbid curiosity.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

I can't guarantee that they all would. I can't guarantee that the majority would. I'm sure we can both agree that some of them would definitely not take to it though. It's for the sake of those people, however large the percentage of them would be, that i'm against gays being able to adopt young children and infants.

So by your logic even if 1% of children where uncomfortable being raised by gay parents by that merit gays should not be allowed to adopt, and the other 99% of kids who would be perfectly fine with it are denied otherwise loving capable parents.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yes the term "homophobic" is nonsense. It is just an intellectually dishonest way to disregard someones position without weighing the merits of what they say.

Do you have some statistical evidence that would show that gay people are more wise and compassionate?

Judging by the infection rates for HIV in gay men, they don't appear to be the most responsible members of our society. Perhaps any adoption board should investigate a gay couple's medical history to determine how responsible they are.

Also, shouldn't an adoption agency consider the difficulty an adopted child of a homosexual couple might have being accepted by their peers. You talk about what gay's "have been through" yet don't consider the fact that by giving custody of a child into their care you are possibly signing that child up for the same trials.

Single adults are not given equal opportunities to adopt with heterosexual couples because our government sees that the two parents home is a prefered climate for raising a child. I would suggest that a home with both a mother and a father is a prefered climate to raising a child in than one lacking either a mother or father.

the Bolded part was where i stopped reading...

You do realize this might be true because:
A) Most homosexual men choose to not make it public to avoid persecution and avoid the negativity that homophobic people like you tend to flail around.
B) Straight sex people use condoms for 2 reasons, one is STI prevention, the other is for the prevention of child birth. Homosexual people do not have to worry about that so they are less inclined to use a Condom.

Statistics can be thrown around a lot... anyone can do it, it takes some intelligence to actually understand them and understand the situation.

I hope in 15 years my kids can grow up in a society where Gays are seen as equals like they should be, i wouldnt care if my kid was gay or straight, i will love them because they are my children.

Close minded people like yourself need to do some research or just die off already, you are the problem with society.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

You said it made you uncomfortable when a gay man was called mom, that speaks to your fear or thought that homosexuality is corrupt or perverse. Homosexuality is no more perverse than heterosexuality and to think of it as such is wrong. I'll let you decide if you're afraid of homosexuality or just bigoted against it.

Okay, I guess we'll agree to disagree...

[Yeah_Baby]

Calgaryborn knows this isn't 1983 right?

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by J pold

So by your logic even if 1% of children where uncomfortable being raised by gay parents by that merit gays should not be allowed to adopt, and the other 99% of kids who would be perfectly fine with it are denied otherwise loving capable parents.

Yes. Although i think the number would be much higher than that. Even if it was that low though, it's an unfair position to place them in considering the psychological impact it could have on them. If I'm not mistaken there's never a shortage of heterosexual parents looking to adopt younger children. So, if a homosexual couple is so serious about wanting to have kids let them have the older ones that are constantly passed over for the younger ones.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by TylerSVT

the Bolded part was where i stopped reading...

You do realize this might be true because:
A) Most homosexual men choose to not make it public to avoid persecution and avoid the negativity that homophobic people like you tend to flail around.
B) Straight sex people use condoms for 2 reasons, one is STI prevention, the other is for the prevention of child birth. Homosexual people do not have to worry about that so they are less inclined to use a Condom.

Statistics can be thrown around a lot... anyone can do it, it takes some intelligence to actually understand them and understand the situation.

I hope in 15 years my kids can grow up in a society where Gays are seen as equals like they should be, i wouldnt care if my kid was gay or straight, i will love them because they are my children.

Close minded people like yourself need to do some research or just die off already, you are the problem with society.

Bull crap.

Everyone older than 12 knows that unprotected sex can lead to std's and aids. They teach it in school for crying out loud. Unfortunately, gay men get the disease at higher rates because of their lifestyle choice.

Try to grow up and respect others view on things, rather than telling them to "die off". Nobody here is hating on gays. Criticism is not hatred.

You remind me of Nage Waza who jumps on the anti-semite card if you criticize Israel in the slightest.

[TylerSVT]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

You tell god that he's a bigot because he won't let them conceive!



That explains the purple mustang.

Well done, attack me because i have a color changing mustang, avoid the issue all together.

At least i am secure enough to know i am not gay and that i know its ok for those who are to be just as happy and free as i am. Even if i was gay, i wouldnt have a problem with telling people.

Next time try to have some input into the conversation rather than just throw things around, you might come off as a little more educated.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Calgaryborn, I have told you this before, but I will never reply seriously to your posts. The only reason I don't have you on ignore is morbid curiosity.

Yes well I'm certainly not going to let your phobia influence my posting habits.

By the way you've been anything but consistant in your arguement. You start out by commenting on what gays "have been through" and then proceed to say it isn't that much of a problem when it is pointed out that an adopted child of a gay couple could potentually have the same experiences.