Insomnia, it sucks

[Buzzard]

I'm also in the camp of not having too, too much problem falling asleep, it's the getting up at 3-5 regardless of what time I've gone to bed that gets me. My previous GP, who's since retired, prescribed me Silenor. 100% worked like a charm and I took it regularly for quite a few years. Recently though, my newer GP recommended getting off it and going with Quviviq. He claims it's a better long term solution, although when I've questioned him on the differences for long term health, he didn't really have a satisfactory response, "it's just better long term".

So Quviviq is the absolute bomb for falling asleep, even though that wasn't really a huge issue, but isn't so great for the end half of sleep. I'm really missing the Silenor. Anyone else taken either?

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't have experience with either.
I took Zoplicone for several years - which worked but gave me a headache that would worsen the more I took it. But it would ensure a full night sleep.
I switched to Zolpidem (Ambien) a few years ago which. I can take a 1/4 of one of those pills and it gets me to sleep without the side effects. However, sleep onset is more my issue not sustaining sleep. But I REALLY prefer Zolpidem to Zoplicone.

I don't take either much anymore, and even recently have managed to stop taking Melatonin every night, which I had been doing for about a decade.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I'm also in the camp of not having too, too much problem falling asleep, it's the getting up at 3-5 regardless of what time I've gone to bed that gets me. My previous GP, who's since retired, prescribed me Silenor. 100% worked like a charm and I took it regularly for quite a few years. Recently though, my newer GP recommended getting off it and going with Quviviq. He claims it's a better long term solution, although when I've questioned him on the differences for long term health, he didn't really have a satisfactory response, "it's just better long term".

So Quviviq is the absolute bomb for falling asleep, even though that wasn't really a huge issue, but isn't so great for the end half of sleep. I'm really missing the Silenor. Anyone else taken either?

I’ve taken Silenor for a while. It was meh for me. A pretty big hangover in the morning without the benefit of a great sleep. Trazodone was helpful for getting to sleep but it wore off about 4-5 hours into sleep so that wasn’t ideal.

Mirtazipine is where it is at - particularly if you struggle with anxiety/rumination at night. I, for the very first time in my adult life, regularly sleep until my alarm goes off. It has a pretty strong hangover as well but it’s worth it. Just be careful because it can make you ravenous have lots of healthy snacks around. You can pack on the pounds pretty quickly.

[Buzzard]

That's interesting, as my experience is the complete opposite. I remember doubting the doc when first recommending it, as I'd get gross hangovers from any kind of otc option. Diphenhydramine not only gives me a horrible, jittery hangover all morning, it actually does the opposite of it's intention. I'd often get restless legs, and lay wide awake on it, just an overall crap drug for me. With Silenor, not only does it keep me sleeping much later than I would, but I find zero after effects. There's maybe a slight grogginess first thing, but nothing a cup of coffee doesn't cure.


I really recommend Quviviq for anyone having problems getting to sleep. I find there's minimal hangover also. It really knocks me out, although that's not usually my biggest issue. There's an odd pattern with it too. I will sleep like a baby in bizarre segments during the night. I'll sleep for a couple hours, wake, and feel like I've been asleep eight hours. Fall back asleep, rinse repeat.


It's interesting how different everyone's sleep and what affects it is so different/random. Not too interesting at 3AM though, frustrating as hell.

[ripTDR]

I guess I don't have the extreme problems of most of you guys here, but one thing that has helped me get a nights sleep was to get a old timey clock radio and physically not have my phone in my bedroom or bathroom. Honestly, it took a while to get used to it but I definitely feel better, plus its kinda cool to wake up to some random song on the radio.

[fotze2]

I set a new record last night. Made it to 11:30 pm from 10 and absolutely zero sleep after that, not even close to falling asleep. My eyes are burning. I get this thing where the moment you are going to fall asleep my brain thinks my hearts gonna stop and I'll die and then you get that snap awake thing, gotta be hundred times a night. On top of the racing mind over the dumbest stuff.

This is still the best description of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comm...ibes_insomnia/

[troutman]

Occasional edible Cannabis causes me to fall asleep easily and sleep through the night. I’ve heard though it can disrupt your dreams which is not good.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I set a new record last night. Made it to 11:30 pm from 10 and absolutely zero sleep after that, not even close to falling asleep. My eyes are burning. I get this thing where the moment you are going to fall asleep my brain thinks my hearts gonna stop and I'll die and then you get that snap awake thing, gotta be hundred times a night. On top of the racing mind over the dumbest stuff.

This is still the best description of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comm...ibes_insomnia/

Dude didn’t you mention PTSD elsewhere? That really sounds like it’s part of it. Have you met with a neurologist?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by troutman

Occasional edible Cannabis causes me to fall asleep easily and sleep through the night. I’ve heard though it can disrupt your dreams which is not good.

Why not good? Completely eliminating dreams is its best feature.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by troutman

Occasional edible Cannabis causes me to fall asleep easily and sleep through the night. I’ve heard though it can disrupt your dreams which is not good.

Those make me feel more zombielike the next day. Got these 40's from HerbApproach, ruined and entire weekend.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Those make me feel more zombielike the next day. Got these 40's from HerbApproach, ruined and entire weekend.

Yeah you pretty much need to take them before 7 pm to avoid that, in my opinion. 40 is also a lot if you aren’t using frequently.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah you pretty much need to take them before 7 pm to avoid that, in my opinion. 40 is also a lot if you aren’t using frequently.

Took an Ativan for a flight to Mexico a month back, I could barely get off the plane and don't remember getting to the hotel and couldn't leave my room. Threw those out.

[troutman]

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Cannabis, particularly strains high in THC, tends to suppress REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. This is the sleep stage where most dreaming occurs. Dreaming has several health benefits, including helping to process emotions, consolidate memories, and regulate mood. It can also assist in coping with stress and preparing for real-life threats.

I take sometimes 20 mg THC around 10 pm. Maybe that’s not enough to disrupt dreaming.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Took an Ativan for a flight to Mexico a month back, I could barely get off the plane and don't remember getting to the hotel and couldn't leave my room. Threw those out.

What dose? Full pill?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I set a new record last night. Made it to 11:30 pm from 10 and absolutely zero sleep after that, not even close to falling asleep. My eyes are burning. I get this thing where the moment you are going to fall asleep my brain thinks my hearts gonna stop and I'll die and then you get that snap awake thing, gotta be hundred times a night. On top of the racing mind over the dumbest stuff.

This is still the best description of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comm...ibes_insomnia/

Oh...I understand that all too well. And then its just like..."well...may as well just go to work at 4am. Not going to get any sleep in."

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Took an Ativan for a flight to Mexico a month back, I could barely get off the plane and don't remember getting to the hotel and couldn't leave my room. Threw those out.

Those are nuts… I had those for a dental surgery. I wouldn’t use them outside that setting.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I set a new record last night. Made it to 11:30 pm from 10 and absolutely zero sleep after that, not even close to falling asleep. My eyes are burning. I get this thing where the moment you are going to fall asleep my brain thinks my hearts gonna stop and I'll die and then you get that snap awake thing, gotta be hundred times a night. On top of the racing mind over the dumbest stuff.

This is still the best description of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comm...ibes_insomnia/

Have you been checked for sleep apnea? Isn't that a very common thing people mention when they stop breathing while asleep?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Have you been checked for sleep apnea? Isn't that a very common thing people mention when they stop breathing while asleep?

I probably should . Doc suggested that just haven’t gotten around to it. I assumed Jody fat people had that and I’m a side not sleeper

[peter12]

I think pretty much anyone can get it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I probably should . Doc suggested that just haven’t gotten around to it. I assumed Jody fat people had that and I’m a side not sleeper

Pretty much anyone can be afflicted. I had a client last year and their son is an elite hockey player and it was something about constant hard breathing during play, practice and workouts and he had to be on a CPAP machine.

One never knows.

Then again, I think some of those outfits will try selling a CPAP machine to anyone who's insurance will cover it, so theres also that.