IOC not happy with Canadian women's ice hockey gold celebration

[Brad Marsh]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

So you think the AVERAGE beer league team could beat a AAA midget team? The Canadian women do at .750

I didn't say that and don't think that.

What I said is you could probably compile a team of people who post on this forum and play men's league hockey and that team could beat the women's national team.

I'm not saying that to criticize the women's national team or to take anything away from what they accomplished. I put the idea forward to support the notion, that at this point in time, women's hockey players are not as elite in their sport as other Olympic Women's Champions are in their sports.

Originally Posted by corporatejay

This might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this forum.

How is it even stupid at all? Have you ever played in a men's league? The one I used to play in was full of former WHL/College/University/Jr. A/Jr. B players. Now they play recreationally, and they are still very skilled and competitive hockey players. I'm sure you could throw a team of these guys together and they would beat the women's national team.

Doing the equivalent for another sport probably wouldn't yield the same kind of result. For example, the town I live in has a very active cross-country skiing club and has a lot of very good skiers who train regularly and travel across Alberta competing against others like them. Sometimes they win their races. You could hand-pick the very best of them and they would get smoked by the women's Gold Medalist in the equivalent distance at these games.

Again, I'm not trying criticize the national team - I'm not trying to do that now and I wasn't tyring to do that in my original post. I was overtly celebrating when they won the gold medal.

I'm simply trying to provide an explanation as to why some people may be having a hard time reconciling the accomplishment with the celebration (and by celebration I mean the way they celebrated while running up scores, and the way they celebrated after winning the medal).

EDIT: I don't mean to come across here as defensive - I have no problem with someone disagreeing with what I wrote (for such is pre-requisite to good debate). But there is a difference between having debate or taking and defending different views on an issue and doing a 'stupidest post ever' drive-by or criticizing someone for saying something they didn't say.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

I didn't say that and don't think that.

What I said is you could probably compile a team of people who post on this forum and play men's league hockey and that team could beat the women's national team.

I'm not saying that to criticize the women's national team or to take anything away from what they accomplished. I put the idea forward to support the notion, that at this point in time, women's hockey players are not as elite in their sport as other Olympic Women's Champions are in their sports.



How is it even stupid at all? Have you ever played in a men's league? The one I used to play in was full of former WHL/College/University/Jr. A/Jr. B players. Now they play recreationally, and they are still very skilled and competitive hockey players. I'm sure you could throw a team of these guys together and they would beat the women's national team.

Doing the equivalent for another sport probably wouldn't yield the same kind of result. For example, the town I live in has a very active cross-country skiing club and has a lot of very good skiers who train regularly and travel across Alberta competing against others like them. Sometimes they win their races. You could hand-pick the very best of them and they would get smoked by the women's Gold Medalist in the equivalent distance at these games.

Again, I'm not trying criticize the national team - I'm not trying to do that now and I wasn't tyring to do that in my original post. I was overtly celebrating when they won the gold medal.

I'm simply trying to provide an explanation as to why some people may be having a hard time reconciling the accomplishment with the celebration (and by celebration I mean the way they celebrated while running up scores, and the way they celebrated after winning the medal).

EDIT: I don't mean to come across here as defensive - I have no problem with someone disagreeing with what I wrote (for such is pre-requisite to good debate). But there is a difference between having debate or taking and defending different views on an issue and doing a 'stupidest post ever' drive-by or criticizing someone for saying something they didn't say.

Fair enough. But I would also like to point out that most people that think they are good hockey players are no were near as good as they think they are. Especialy the ones that remember the good old days and think they are still world beaters. I would include pretty much anyone in this thread that thinks they could go out there and wip the womens team. I could be wrong but I highly doubt it.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

I didn't say that and don't think that.

What I said is you could probably compile a team of people who post on this forum and play men's league hockey and that team could beat the women's national team.

Mens Hockey and Women's Hocky are different sports. I'm sure you would have dominated in 11 year-old girls soccer back in the day too. People who think Women's hocky should go because it's not 'as good' as Men's Hockey are entirely missing the point of the sport.

I also seriously doubt you and some beer-leaguers from the Forum could beat the Canadian Women's Hockey Team, but I guess we'd have to see it to know. I'd put money on them.

[Puppet Guy]

know what bothers me about this incident? They're drinking a crappy beer!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Brad Marsh

I didn't say that and don't think that.

What I said is you could probably compile a team of people who post on this forum and play men's league hockey and that team could beat the women's national team.

I'm not saying that to criticize the women's national team or to take anything away from what they accomplished. I put the idea forward to support the notion, that at this point in time, women's hockey players are not as elite in their sport as other Olympic Women's Champions are in their sports.



How is it even stupid at all? Have you ever played in a men's league? The one I used to play in was full of former WHL/College/University/Jr. A/Jr. B players. Now they play recreationally, and they are still very skilled and competitive hockey players. I'm sure you could throw a team of these guys together and they would beat the women's national team.

Doing the equivalent for another sport probably wouldn't yield the same kind of result. For example, the town I live in has a very active cross-country skiing club and has a lot of very good skiers who train regularly and travel across Alberta competing against others like them. Sometimes they win their races. You could hand-pick the very best of them and they would get smoked by the women's Gold Medalist in the equivalent distance at these games.

Again, I'm not trying criticize the national team - I'm not trying to do that now and I wasn't tyring to do that in my original post. I was overtly celebrating when they won the gold medal.

I'm simply trying to provide an explanation as to why some people may be having a hard time reconciling the accomplishment with the celebration (and by celebration I mean the way they celebrated while running up scores, and the way they celebrated after winning the medal).

EDIT: I don't mean to come across here as defensive - I have no problem with someone disagreeing with what I wrote (for such is pre-requisite to good debate). But there is a difference between having debate or taking and defending different views on an issue and doing a 'stupidest post ever' drive-by or criticizing someone for saying something they didn't say.

But could the Oilers beat them??

[Mike Vernon]

I have to admit Im ashamed to be Canadian after seeing these photos. How do you think the world sees us and this sport now? Its obvious that the girls chugging Champagne and smoking cigars on the ice have zero class or common sense whatsoever. When you are wearing the Maple Leaf you represent ALL OF US CANADIANS. If you dont mind being stereotyped as a slack jawed yokel then I could understand why this doesnt bother you. For the rest of us that care about our international image this has been a huge set back for Canada as a whole. Shame on the coaches and more importantly the Captain of the team to let this happen. Shame!

[valo403]

[Fire]

Someone has a stick stuck up their arse.

[Mike Vernon]

Just saying, take off your Maple Leaf before you look like a drunk bimbo on the ice.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Just saying, take off your Maple Leaf before you look like a drunk bimbo on the ice.

Drunk bimbos are the only thing I prefer on ice to scotch

[Mike Vernon]

Those girls are all yours! You can prolly find them at Jimmy Deans or the T and C in Forest Lawn.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

I have to admit Im ashamed to be Canadian after seeing these photos. How do you think the world sees us and this sport now? Its obvious that the girls chugging Champagne and smoking cigars on the ice have zero class or common sense whatsoever. When you are wearing the Maple Leaf you represent ALL OF US CANADIANS. If you dont mind being stereotyped as a slack jawed yokel then I could understand why this doesnt bother you. For the rest of us that care about our international image this has been a huge set back for Canada as a whole. Shame on the coaches and more importantly the Captain of the team to let this happen. Shame!

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Its obvious that the girls chugging Champagne and smoking cigars on the ice have zero class or common sense whatsoever.

Jokes on you cause that's Cava, not champagne! Shows what you know!

[Mike Vernon]

All they are missing is some Big Bear.

[CokeMachineGlow]

i didnt realize until later that night when a friend told me that these photos were taken hours after the game and with the stands empty. in other words... who effing cares. good for the girls.

if pictures of the mens team were taken in the same fashion the news would be psoting them as heros. double standards and a tempest in a teapot. i say shame on the media, not the women for celebrating a life time achievement.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CokeMachineGlow

i didnt realize until later that night when a friend told me that these photos were taken hours after the game and with the stands empty. in other words... who effing cares. good for the girls.

if pictures of the mens team were taken in the same fashion the news would be psoting them as heros. double standards and a tempest in a teapot. i say shame on the media, not the women for celebrating a life time achievement.

Yeah, when I first saw the photos, I thought they were drinking and smoking in front of a packed house. But when I found out it was an empty arena besides whoever was taking the pictures, I thought "Who the F cares?" Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Reign of Fire]

I think its awesome....so what they celebrated, they have been preparing for this moment for 4 years...working hard for it so when they finally win Gold at the end, they celebrated...and its not like there were fans still in the building...when the team wins the Stanley Cup, don't they drink and isn't that caught on camera. I think too many ppl are making a big deal out of this

[Devils'Advocate]

I agree that if it were the mens team, this wouldn't be a story. Women are supposed to be reserved and classy and are not allowed to celebrate winning.

[Smell My Finger]

Public Image has become way too overblown in the media. They were enjoying the moment. It was probably planned well in advance weeks ago.
It would have been different if they did this while the Americans were in the Ice and the stands were full.

Molson probably supplied the beer in advance too.JMO

[Flame On]

I'm ashamed of the people that are ashamed.
I wonder what percentage of the outraged are bible thumpers. Just a hunch...