2009 NFL Off Season Thread

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Do you think they can win the Superbowl with Cutler?

I dont. Maybe its just the Jake Plummer fan in me but I dont think he ever wins the Superbowl with the level of competition in the NFL.

For me that means you move him when his stock is high. Yes they do get set back with that scenario I agree.

Yes I do, but that's not important.

Explain to me how Cassell is an improvement? How does Matt Cassell improve the Broncos?

[transplant99]

Jason Taylor has been released by the'Skins...so a 1st and a 3rd for 13 games of Taylor. yikes.

I fully expect the Packers to talk with Taylor now though...they need a bunch of help with the loss of Cole on the D line and 2 others coming off major injuries....as well as moving to the 3-4.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Explain to me how Cassell is an improvement? How does Matt Cassell improve the Broncos?

The HC is more comfortable with Cassel than Cutler? Or, they were going to get more than just Cassel back for Cutler in the trade?

This situation is very weird. The Broncos have no reason to look to trade their franchise QB. The deal that Belichick gave Pioli makes me doubt that Denver was going to get Cassel + for Cutler (which is the only reasonable reason I can think of to justify trading him).

Cutler's reaction is completely unacceptable. He's going to whine and pout about it? Come on hillbilly. You're a pro-athlete. Being subject to trade rumors and even trades is part of the job description. Tuck that lower lip back under your massive overbite and try to make the playoffs in a weak division.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Seahawks sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

That makes the NFC West a bit tougher.

40 MILLION over 5 years....15 million guarenteed!!

Holy hannah that is a LOT of money for a 32 YO WR.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

The HC is more comfortable with Cassel than Cutler? Or, they were going to get more than just Cassel back for Cutler in the trade?

This situation is very weird. The Broncos have no reason to look to trade their franchise QB. The deal that Belichick gave Pioli makes me doubt that Denver was going to get Cassel + for Cutler (which is the only reasonable reason I can think of to justify trading him).

Cutler's reaction is completely unacceptable. He's going to whine and pout about it? Come on hillbilly. You're a pro-athlete. Being subject to trade rumors and even trades is part of the job description. Tuck that lower lip back under your massive overbite and try to make the playoffs in a weak division.

Apparently it isnt that he was brought up in trade...it was that when he talked to Mcdaniels about it, the coach said it never happened...Cutler says he knows it did and therefore thinks that McDaniels is lying to him.

This thing is not good....i honestly woud not be surprised to see Cutler dealt at this point....the two guys dont know each other yet and already there is a big pile of distrust?? Brutal.

reminds me of when Reeves pulled the same stunt with Elway.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

40 MILLION over 5 years....15 million guarenteed!!

Holy hannah that is a LOT of money for a 32 YO WR.

No kidding. I wonder if this was fueled by Crabtree's injury and potential fall in the upcoming draft? He was a lock at #4. Now, I dont know.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently it isnt that he was brought up in trade...it was that when he talked to Mcdaniels about it, the coach said it never happened...Cutler says he knows it did and therefore thinks that McDaniels is lying to him.

This thing is not good....i honestly woud not be surprised to see Cutler dealt at this point....the two guys dont know each other yet and already there is a big pile of distrust?? Brutal.

reminds me of when Reeves pulled the same stunt with Elway.

Yeah, not good. But Cutler needs to be the bigger man here and take his team back.

That said, I haven't found a single person willing to say that McDaniels had a 'good idea' when he was trying to move Cutler for Cassell. What does that say about the new Broncos braintrust??

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently it isnt that he was brought up in trade...it was that when he talked to Mcdaniels about it, the coach said it never happened...Cutler says he knows it did and therefore thinks that McDaniels is lying to him.

This thing is not good....i honestly woud not be surprised to see Cutler dealt at this point....the two guys dont know each other yet and already there is a big pile of distrust?? Brutal.

reminds me of when Reeves pulled the same stunt with Elway.

Incredible. I didn't think Cutler was that big of a prima dona to get all bent out of shape over something like this. It's pretty obvious that he really resents Shannahan's firing and starting his relationship off with McDaniels like this is completely unprofessional. Reminds me of a kid getting introduced to his new step-dad ("You're not my father! You can't tell me what to do! Whhaaaaaa!").

The thing is, Cassel would have been a good return under the current circumstances. But if Cutler forces Denver's hand, the return might set Denver back years.

Just silly. With the Chargers GM acting like a moron regarding LT, this Cutler debauchle, and the Raiders ongoing Al Davis circus, the Chiefs are the only ones that don't look dysfunctional.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Incredible. I didn't think Cutler was that big of a prima dona to get all bent out of shape over something like this. It's pretty obvious that he really resents Shannahan's firing and starting his relationship off with McDaniels like this is completely unprofessional. Reminds me of a kid getting introduced to his new step-dad ("You're not my father! You can't tell me what to do! Whhaaaaaa!").

The thing is, Cassel would have been a good return under the current circumstances. But if Cutler forces Denver's hand, the return might set Denver back years.

Just silly. With the Chargers GM acting like a moron regarding LT, this Cutler debauchle, and the Raiders ongoing Al Davis circus, the Chiefs are the only ones that don't look dysfunctional.

You gotta be kidding me. How do you figure that?

[transplant99]

Yeah, not good. But Cutler needs to be the bigger man here and take his team back

Oh I agree...but he just has that "thing" about him that his ego may not allow it.

That said, I haven't found a single person willing to say that McDaniels had a 'good idea' when he was trying to move Cutler for Cassell. What does that say about the new Broncos braintrust??

Well....if you could ask him i beleive McDaniels would say that. And I dont blame him....32 YO, 1st time head coach with a new team....he needs a bunch of familiarity around him, and there is nothing more important than the QB/Coach relationship on a team IMO.

I know you dont think Cassell is all that good....i disagree. I think that McDaniel knows what the guy can do and what he cant....and it obviously was pretty good last year in a system that McDaniels is going to be implementing this year.

Ata ny rate...both guys have to shoulder some blame at this point but no question that Cutler better suck it up or he will be on the move....and that may happen anyhow.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

You gotta be kidding me. How do you figure that?

I'm saying IF Cutler wanted out and Denver's hand was forced, Cassel would have been a good return. Other GMs would be circling like sharks if Cutler said he wanted out and they could really strong arm Denver.

Before this all blew up, I would have taken Cutler anyday of the week over Cassel. Now, if things go downhill, Denver fans would be lucky to get much back for him that doesn't equal a long rebuilding phase.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Oh I agree...but he just has that "thing" about him that his ego may not allow it.



Well....if you could ask him i beleive McDaniels would say that. And I dont blame him....32 YO, 1st time head coach with a new team....he needs a bunch of familiarity around him, and there is nothing more important than the QB/Coach relationship on a team IMO.

I know you dont think Cassell is all that good....i disagree. I think that McDaniel knows what the guy can do and what he cant....and it obviously was pretty good last year in a system that McDaniels is going to be implementing this year.

Ata ny rate...both guys have to shoulder some blame at this point but no question that Cutler better suck it up or he will be on the move....and that may happen anyhow.

Would you trade Rodgers for him? Would the Chargers trade Rivers for him? Would Dallas trade Romo for him?

If McDaniels' needs familiarity to be successful then it is very, very clear that Pat Bowlen made a giant mistake.

[transplant99]

Would you trade Rodgers for him? Would the Chargers trade Rivers for him? Would Dallas trade Romo for him?

Oh no.....dont get me wrong. Im not saying I think he is better....but i dont think he is as bad as so many seem to claim, ESPECIALLY when he is going to be playing a system he has practiced and played his entire professional life.

11-5 as basically a rookie is...well...11-5. Pretty damn good.

If McDaniels' needs familiarity to be successful then it is very, very clear that Pat Bowlen made a giant mistake.

Well he is very young...i would fully expect some mistakes early on.....but bowlen is a pretty sharp guy and given time I woudl fully expect mcDaniels to be just fine.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

No kidding. I wonder if this was fueled by Crabtree's injury and potential fall in the upcoming draft? He was a lock at #4. Now, I dont know.

I agree, I dont seem the seahawks picking Crabtree after this signing. Crabtree will either be picked by a team that moves up or he will be drafted by the Bengals.

[Joborule]

If Culter is not happy and ends up moving. McDaniels is immediently gonna be put on my bad list.

Way to make a first impression, lose your franchise QB who's only going to get better...

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

fair enough...im not aware of anything he has claimed of late, (something that didnt have as speculation anyhow) that was patently false. though it certianly could of occurred and i just missed it.

One example of where Mortensen was way off was Shanahan coming to the Chiefs. Mortensen reported that they were talking, Adam Schefter from the NFL Network stated that the Chiefs and Shanahan had not talked at all.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Just silly. With the Chargers GM acting like a moron regarding LT, this Cutler debauchle, and the Raiders ongoing Al Davis circus, the Chiefs are the only ones that don't look dysfunctional.

Oh the Chiefs are as dysfunctional as they have ever been. Larry Johnson likes to get drunk and push woman around and spit drinks in their faces. Then he threatens to kill their boyfriends. He has also stated that he wants out of Kansas City.

Tony Gonzalaz doesn't want to hear the word "rebuilding". If he hears it he wants to be traded to a team of his choice.

All Pro Guard Brian Waters flew to Kansas City to meet his new coach and GM. Pioli refused to meet with him and Todd Haley blew him off in the hall at Arrowhead. Brian Waters now wants to be released or traded claiming new management and coaching are too arrogant for him to play for.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

If McDaniels' needs familiarity to be successful then it is very, very clear that Pat Bowlen made a giant mistake.

How many Patriots assistants have gone on to great success after they have left Belichek's umbrella? Maybe Belichek surrounds himself with yes men who work well taking orders, but when they are on their own calling the shots they can't make it work.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Oh the Chiefs are as dysfunctional as they have ever been. Larry Johnson likes to get drunk and push woman around and spit drinks in their faces. Then he threatens to kill their boyfriends. He has also stated that he wants out of Kansas City.

Tony Gonzalaz doesn't want to hear the word "rebuilding". If he hears it he wants to be traded to a team of his choice.

All Pro Guard Brian Waters flew to Kansas City to meet his new coach and GM. Pioli refused to meet with him and Todd Haley blew him off in the hall at Arrowhead. Brian Waters now wants to be released or traded claiming new management and coaching are too arrogant for him to play for.

I stand corrected. I think all of us AFC West fans can now be friends under the common umbrella of our teams looking like circus acts the past several seasons. The Raiders are obviously the flagship for this pact and have the most experience, so if any of you need someone to talk to someone about cheering for a laughable "professional" sports team, I'm always here.

With Crabtree likely dropping past Seattle, I wonder if ol' Skeletor will take him at 7? I hope not (we definitely have WR needs, but a DT, DE or OL is more pressing). With all the money Davis has spent on rookies the past 5 draft years (Huff, Gallery, McFadden, Russell) and on UFAs (Walker, Asomugha, Kelly, Wilson) I wouldn't be surprised to see him trade down significantly to save some money that top 10 picks demand.

I would really like to see Alex Mack (C) from Cal go to Oakland in the late first round (somehow). He wouldn't be a headcase and is a local guy that could really anchor the OL for a long time. Of course, Davis wont pick him because of his good qualities and will likely take that OT moron from Alabama if Crabtree is gone.

[rubecube]

Ward to the Bucs.

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