[News] Waiver Wire Oct 2 - Prosvetov, Kerins clear. Avs claim Solovyov

[Ped]

Originally Posted by BigThief

My man, when you emphasized "saw this today" and it linked to a transaction from 2016 I was awfully confused. We gotta work on our quoting and formatting a bit.

Sorry, text wouldn't appear in advanced and edit post won't let me quote in simple form. That paragraph is from the linked website

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Huska would be a good coach for a large physical club. I think Bean just sucks period.

Yep, Bean is terrible.

And Huska is a fine coach, I just don't know if I can take another 2 years of playing his boring style.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Apparently so was hockeydb because they don't show this epic career over the last "years" with the Flames he had that you remember. Oh wait 5 games last year, you're right we've seen everything.

Right, he only played 5 hockey games the last 7 years or whatever.

Hard to take you seriously dude.

He was claimed by a capped out team that needs cheap warm bodies. He is basically better than an empty roster spot, and that's about it.

[devo22]

then again, we have a much clearer picture of what Bean and Miromanov are at the NHL level ... that's why people would have prefered to give Solo a shot.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Yep, Bean is terrible.

And Huska is a fine coach, I just don't know if I can take another 2 years of playing his boring style.

He's under contract for 3 more, and I agree.

[Matty81]

Yeah Bean was poor last year for me too, he's not a puck mover and he also got outmuscled a ton and looked fairly slight in the 1 on 1 battles, so you ask yourself, what is he really helping with if he's not good offensively or strong in puck battles. His positioning is ok? Solovyov, it's hard to get too upset about losing him as I personally didn't see a lot there either but it's kind of crazy how the flames are so bad yet we seem to be one of the only teams consistently losing the tweener assets to waivers every season.

And it is a bit frustrating to have guys like Hanley, Bean, Miromanov still around none of whom really have any asset value in a trade or seem like they have any more upside at all, just below average veterans, feels like treading water.

I get that the Flames maybe don't think they have the guys ready to displace them, but I'd really like to see the flames be active in the last few days of waivers then, there are quite a few #8 dmen around the league who will be waived that it feels like it would make more sense to nab, have a look at and see if you can create some asset value vs. just accepting another road to nowhere season and wasting spots on players who a) aren't developing any more and b) have little to no trade value

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Yeah Bean was poor last year for me too, he's not a puck mover and he also got outmuscled a ton and looked fairly slight in the 1 on 1 battles, so you ask yourself, what is he really helping with if he's not good offensively or strong in puck battles. His positioning is ok? Solovyov, it's hard to get too upset about losing him as I personally didn't see a lot there either but it's kind of crazy how the flames are so bad yet we seem to be one of the only teams consistently losing the tweener assets to waivers every season.

And it is a bit frustrating to have guys like Hanley, Bean, Miromanov still around none of whom really have any asset value in a trade or seem like they have any more upside at all, just feels like treading water.

I get that the Flames maybe don't think they have the guys ready to displace them, but I'd really like to see the flames be active in the last few days of waivers then, there are quite a few #8 dmen around the league who will be waived that it feels like it would make more sense to nab, have a look at and see if you can create some asset value vs. just accepting another road to nowhere season

Sorry I don't get this. What are you suggesting? That somehow the Flames should claim a #8 dman not good enough for another team, and "create asset value" somehow?
Can you explain further or provide an example.

[dino7c]

Hanley played well last season, dont lump him in

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sorry I don't get this. What are you suggesting? That somehow the Flames should claim a #8 dman not good enough for another team, and "create asset value" somehow?
Can you explain further or provide an example.

What I mean is that if you have a guy who is blocked in another organization (I said the other day that Matt Kessel is a guy that comes to mind who I can see being waived shortly) who hasn't had a full season as an NHL regular and maybe will develop to another level getting the ice time or show well with an expanded opportunity, that it would make more sense to try something new and grab a player like that vs. going with Bean or Miromanov there who likely have already reached their full potential, we've seen what they can do, and who I don't think anyone in the NHL would give up an asset for.

Maybe you see someone develop into a much better player with the ice time like Bahl did and find a piece you can use moving forward, or who catches the eye of another team and can be traded like SJ did with Walman when Detroit was looking to just get rid of him.

I think that the ice time you give players at ECHL, AHL or NHL level is an investment and holds developmental value, and when you are investing that time in veterans who are very unlikely to improve and your team is bad anyway that doesn't make a lot of sense.

All depends on who goes on waivers but I'm just hoping there's a better option than what we have on D as it is looking pretty pathetic at the moment

[Jiri Hrdina]

Didn't they do that very thing with Pachal?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I think that the ice time you give players at ECHL, AHL or NHL level is an investment and holds developmental value, and when you are investing that time in veterans who are very unlikely to improve and your team is bad anyway that doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's the ideal, but most of these guys have hit dev plateaus that seasoned talent scouts can identify from a mile away. So what they are saying is, this fully formed NHLer (Bean) is better/same as Solo is now and will ever be. Maybe someone will take Solo and free up the dev spot.

There are finite dev spots. At a certain point (25-26) you have to accept the asset didn't work out and put those dev resources towards a younger player.

My bet is that Flames hoped they would all get claimed. That forces Wranglers to play younger guys more.

I don't think we should worry too much about these guys. Save the drama for the Ras trade. That will have way more bearing on Flames future than these waiver guys.

[GreenLantern2814]

We lost a 25 year old LD with 15 NHL GP.

I’m just glad Kerins got through.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Yeah Bean was poor last year for me too, he's not a puck mover and he also got outmuscled a ton and looked fairly slight in the 1 on 1 battles, so you ask yourself, what is he really helping with if he's not good offensively or strong in puck battles. His positioning is ok? Solovyov, it's hard to get too upset about losing him as I personally didn't see a lot there either but it's kind of crazy how the flames are so bad yet we seem to be one of the only teams consistently losing the tweener assets to waivers every season.

And it is a bit frustrating to have guys like Hanley, Bean, Miromanov still around none of whom really have any asset value in a trade or seem like they have any more upside at all, just below average veterans, feels like treading water.

I get that the Flames maybe don't think they have the guys ready to displace them, but I'd really like to see the flames be active in the last few days of waivers then, there are quite a few #8 dmen around the league who will be waived that it feels like it would make more sense to nab, have a look at and see if you can create some asset value vs. just accepting another road to nowhere season and wasting spots on players who a) aren't developing any more and b) have little to no trade value

I think you are seriously overanalyzing it. And, from the same data you could argue that Calgary has an abundance of NHL level guys - more than Colorado.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

BS. My dog is better than Bean.

You should get your dog a contract.

Still doesn't change the fact that Bean is better than Solovyov. Solovyov will be playing the KHL next year, he isn't an NHL defenseman.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think you are seriously overanalyzing it. And, from the same data you could argue that Calgary has an abundance of NHL level guys - more than Colorado.

They do, Flames have good NHL depth and lack top end...they are not "so bad" they did better than more than half the league

There have been multiple waiver claims every day for the last week, Calgary has lost one player...FREAK OUT!

[Fire]

Frees up room for an actual prospect to get more playing time on the Wranglers. Hopefully Miromanov gets waived and claimed as well.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Prospect with no NHL experience was as good as 2 vets (waiver-wire vets mind you)…perhaps there’s a chance he’d be better if he got actual experience? In most professions you need to be good enough to get in but then learn a hell of a lot on the job. Oh well.

How would he get better by being the 7th D and eating popcorn? I would generally agree with you if he took Pachal's spot.

I would still like for Kuznetsov, who is 2 years younger than Solovyov to take that 3LD spot, as soon as there's an injury, or Andersson is traded.

Moreover there are still about 100 players that need to go through waivers before the start of the regular season, so the Flames might claim a similar/better player who they think is an upgrade over Bean, Pachal, and Miromanov.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Yep, Bean is terrible.

And Huska is a fine coach, I just don't know if I can take another 2 years of playing his boring style.

Sounds like a trade request is imminent.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Eubee

In fairness, he is way better on here since I clipped his nuts for being an ass, and he found out that I was 6'6" tall.

PepsiFree is this true?

[iloveicedhockey]

Rhett44 to HFOil for future considerations. We'll retain if needs be.