[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Number 39]

Originally Posted by Gugstanley

From Anderson's of view he wants as little as possible going back to the Flames. Why would he want to weaken the team he goes too?

Teams like Vegas will never care about draft picks when they can sign any free agent they want.

Andersson likely wont care much about futures which is what I assume any deal will be based around. He’ll only are about key top line assets going the other way during Vegas’ window IMO.

[Finger Cookin]

Trade every player before they get on the wrong side of 26 or have less than 3 years left on their contract. Run this like it's a junior team and the max you can expect a player to play for you is 5 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's what I've been thinking. So many people seem convinced they should have moved him last year for a huge return, but how often does that sort of thing happen?

I haven't done a deep dive, but it seems to me that teams overpay for players at the deadline all the time, but players with term tend to get moved for other players with term.



I'd be curious to see if anyone has done an analysis into when teams get the best return on trades.

• Mid-season (incl. deadline) in the final year of player's contract before UFA.
• Mid-season (incl. deadline) when the player has at least one more season on his contract (or is a pending RFA).
• Off-season prior to the player's final year of his contract before UFA.
• Off-season when the player has more than one season left on his contract.

Also, how much of a premium do teams pay to acquire a player who is willing to sign a long-term extension after the trade?

It’s the contract that made this more attractive. Teams want cost certainty and not having to negotiate a deal. 2 years at 2.25M on your 2nd pairing doesn’t come up often.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Rasmus is being an idiot... how do narrow your own market to one tean, Vegas can lowball him with a contract offer and he be leaving money on the table nevermind that they're not even that great and the oilers have curb stomped them 2 years running. There are plenty of other nice places to live with good teams

He can walk next year and sign with anybody he wants unless they give him a deal

[Number 39]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Trade every player before they get on the wrong side of 26 or have less than 3 years left on their contract. Run this like it's a junior team and the max you can expect a player to play for you is 5 years.

I’d settle for the Flames being a ruthless operator when it comes to these sorts of decisions. Calgary isn’t a top destination unless the team is a contender and as a former player I’m sure GM CC understands that and what motivates modern players. Make the hard decisions, lose the sentimentality and it run it like most businesses do. To be honest I would much prefer to see this team trade almost all the veterans and bottom out but it’s clear thats not what ownership wants.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He can walk next year and sign with anybody he wants unless they give him a deal

Sure he can, it just costs him 2 years on his next contract.

[Finger Cookin]

Hmm, seems that for businesses founded in 2020 30% have failed in the first year, 60% have failed by year 5, and 70% have failed within 10 years*. Not sure operating like most businesses is the gold standard to aim for.

*USA Data

[Joborule]

I'm assuming this is a leak from Ramsus's side to ensure a deal is made this off-season, rather than risk injury if it's not done until the deadline. It's either he's signed and traded to Vegas (or other team of his interest), or he's traded to a team with an understanding he's most likely a rental. Either way, it has poisoned the well of him coming into camp with the Flames. That is not distraction both him and Conroy should want to deal in with all season long.

I can't be mad at Anderson here because players got to do everything in their power to leverage things in their favour. It's all set up that the owners are meant to be the ones with the leverage. So take advantage of any you can get, because you only get one career, and generally only one opportunity at a big payday like this, with the luxury of choosing where to go.

Conroy has once again gotten burned by not learning from Hanafin that you can't corner yourself with a tradable asset. If they're not part of the long term plans, then they must be traded when he can extract the most value from the player with no constraints in place. That time was last year up to the trade deadline this past season with Anderson. He's now seeing the consequences from holding off. It is still salvageable to get a good return, but it's certainly more challenging.

When this similar situation comes up again, maybe third time will be a charm for Craig?

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1939733626213851599

[Mr.Coffee]

Okay Vegas. Jack Eichel, that’s the price. Haha

[Calgary4LIfe]

I - and many others - have been saying for a couple of years now that part of Andersson's value is his team-friendly contract. It was an asset. Now it is diminished until the last year, and on top of this, Andersson is using his leverage which will undoubtedly hurt the returns.


However, this isn't dead in the water.


Vegas isn't going to be upping their offers yet. They have a bidding war of one at the moment. They will circle until other teams enter the fray.

Most of the top 4 defencemen are off the market. Andersson is the clear best available option. So that means teams that could be contending and were hoping for Ekblad now have to pivot. Hopefully there will be some offers.


On top of this, there will be other teams that will risk trading for Rasmus with the idea of trying to convince him to extend, and if they can't, they will either accept that he is a rental, or try and flip him and recoup some value.


There will also be teams that are willing to trade for him as a pure rental. That's ok - they will help drive up the price. As I said in an earlier post, this would be my preference at this point. If I am Conroy, I want the highest #1 draft pick I can guess at, so whatever team I think is going to do the worst (and that isn't on Andersson's NTC), then that's the team I am sending him to. A first just outside the top 10 is more valuable than 2 late firsts., right?


Either way, it is impossible to make me believe that Andersson's highest value was this off-season. Last off-season was much more valuable with 2 years @4.55 and the more likely potential of having him build affinity towards his new team. Lowest point will be at this year's deadline, and I can't see that happening. I am sure Conroy will be trading him soon - probably this week sometime, I would guess.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I'm assuming this is a leak from Ramsus's side to ensure a deal is made this off-season, rather than risk injury if it's not done until the deadline. It's either he's signed and traded to Vegas (or other team of his interest), or he's traded to a team with an understanding he's most likely a rental. Either way, it has poisoned the well of him coming into camp with the Flames. That is not distraction both him and Conroy should want to deal in with all season long.

I can't be mad at Anderson here because players got to do everything in their power to leverage things in their favour. It's all set up that the owners are meant to be the ones with the leverage. So take advantage of any you can get, because you only get one career, and generally only one opportunity at a big payday like this, with the luxury of choosing where to go.

Conroy has once again gotten burned by not learning from Hanafin that you can't corner yourself with a tradable asset. If they're not part of the long term plans, then they must be traded when he can extract the most value from the player with no constraints in place. That time was last year up to the trade deadline this past season with Anderson. He's now seeing the consequences from holding off. It is still salvageable to get a good return, but it's certainly more challenging.

When this similar situation comes up again, maybe third time will be a charm for Craig?

None of this is really relevant or accurate until tomorrow or next March.

The only people who thought that the draft was the Andersson trade deadline are posters on this board and no one can sign him to an extension until tomorrow.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Wolven

None of this is really relevant or accurate until tomorrow or next March.

The only people who thought that the draft was the Andersson trade deadline are posters on this board and no one can sign him to an extension until tomorrow.

How is it not relevant? You don't agree that his value is different now, than it was 12 - 4 months ago based on the expiration of his contact?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Okay Vegas. Jack Eichel, that’s the price. Haha

Only with an extension that is signed before tomorrow for it to make sense.

[Roko]

I’d consider a Hertl back if Vegas would do it. Then trade Kadri and Coleman.

Realistically, CC is now looking at a rental type trade or Vegas. So the value has dropped but Vegas isn’t worth trading him there because I’d imagine their return still is beatable by others. San Jose would be the ideal place because of their surplus of assets. Or you find someone with a 2026 1st

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1939733626213851599

With what? 3 Magic Beans??

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Joborule

How is it not relevant? You don't agree that his value is different now, than it was 12 - 4 months ago based on the expiration of his contact?

His value hasn't really changed in the last year. It does change dramatically tomorrow when the calendar rolls over on all NHL contracts and he is finally able to sign an extension.

Any team who wants to secure a new #1RD has a single target, Andersson. He can be had for a 1 year deal that is super cap friendly or a 9 year deal that has 1 year of tiny cap hit and 8 years of top pair dollars.

I doubt his value has ever been higher than it will be tomorrow. He is the only guy available with 9 or 10 teams looking to acquire him. This is good for the Flames and it is good for him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I don’t really understand why it’s any of your business why a complete stranger is or is not attached to a hockey team, or what their reasoning is for continuing to follow. Seems like a topic you’re best to just leave on the table unless you have a good idea of who that person is, which makes me question whether your intentions really are just benign curiosity as you claim. Seems more to me like you want the easy ammunition against someone whose opinion you don’t like so others can dogpile on later. But that’s actually not what interests me.

What does interest me is that you apparently have this hit list of people who you follow and claim they add nothing of value, which I would claim comes from a pretty heavy dose of confirmation bias on your part. Not denying that I involve myself in my fair share of negative drive by’s, and not that it’s any of your business but I find just putting my thoughts out there and verbalisimg them helps me process those negative emotions because I’m on the spectrum. And I post sporadically because I am not in good health. Again, not your business but since you insist on bringing it up.

But I also do engage in good faith discussion when I feel engaged by the topic, and I know plenty of people on your little list do as well. Just something to reflect on, you don’t have to understand it or even accept it, but consider that people are complex and it’s not your job to judge them.

I am sorry to hear you are dealing with health challenges.

I don't agree with a lot of the above, and I don't have a hit list. But I also don't see much value in fighting about your perception of me and vice versa. We likely will just continue to disagree.

Again, sorry to hear you are having health challenges.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Locke

With what? 3 Magic Beans??

Not sure why that was posted recently again - was from 11:11am (whatever timezone it was in).

[NewFan]

Hope we can get a blue chip prospect and unprotected 1st from a win now teams. Better if th unprotected 1st is for 2027 or 2028 drafts.