[Trade] Flames trade Mangiapane to Capitals for COL 2025 2nd

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by looooob

this one would be up there


3 years removed from a Cup win (with a team that had almost no weaknesses and organizational depth to spare) they miss the playoffs and accelerate a downward spiral with a soul crushing trade


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...000431992.html


missed the playoffs! started the year with 5 Hall of Famers plus Roberts, Suter, Reichel, Fleury and Otto all under 30!

1991-92 was absolutely the worst year of the Flames. They had a roster to compete for the president's trophy, but they finished with 74 points. They were loaded, but Risebrough ruined the team.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Again?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Feels like based on this kind of criteria, players on notice should be Sharangovich, Farabee...and I'm not sure anyone else?

Yeah, those are the two main ones. But those may be tougher to move given the term attached to both of them. Coleman is a guy who I think delivers good enough value and does bring a lot of off ice intangibles. Still I think he's another guy you could move on from sooner than later.

I guess my phrasing as always was really poor. Rather than extend these guys, or feel the need to sign a veteran to replace them as their contracts are set to expire. Move the contracts you can with 1 or fewer years left on them and fill those spots internally.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

1991-92 was absolutely the worst year of the Flames. They had a roster to compete for the president's trophy, but they finished with 74 points. They were loaded, but Risebrough ruined the team.

I just checked that year, I think I blocked it out of my mind.

That Gilmour trade killed them.

[Flamesfan05]

Yeah between Risebrough, Button and the wizard, the Flames really had some stellar GMs

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Which current contracts do you fit this bill and are movable, out of curiosity? I am not disputing your statement at all, just trying to determine who it applies to heading in to this off season

I feel like Huberdeau's is still un-movable. I feel like we're getting what we need from Backlund and Coleman at their rates, which is more than just box score stats. Weegar is delivering. Andersson's situation has been discussed to death.

Feels like based on this kind of criteria, players on notice should be Sharangovich, Farabee...and I'm not sure anyone else?

Sharangovich and Farabee

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Bump

Hopefully the Flames have learned a lesson here, that moving on from these pricier vets who really are not producing what their contract is paying them and inserting younger players isn't so bad. If he's here all season does a guy like Coronato get back to the NHL as quickly as he did?

Yes, I am also very happy the Flames have moved on from signing 25/26 year olds to 3-year contracts @ $5.8M per year and shifted to signing 22/23 year olds to 7-year contracts @ $6.5M per year.

I really don't think there is a "lesson" to be learned here at all. Farabee wasn't signed by the Flames. Sharangovich will be interesting next year.

[gvitaly]

It kind of reminds me of Glencross.

I still think Mangiapane is a good 3rd liner that can fill in the top 6, but he didn't do himself any favours in WSH. Even with the rising cap, his next contract will likely have to be a show me contract, $2-3.5M x 1-3yrs.

I find his agent's comments kind of funny in retrospect, whining about Calgary not giving him any opportunities on the PP.

As far as opening up a spot, I don't think they could've traded Mangiapane when he had more than 1 year term. I also doubt that CGY would have a very easy time trading a veteran forwards this year, with Coleman being the most logical candidate.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Groot

Yes, I am also very happy the Flames have moved on from signing 25/26 year olds to 3-year contracts @ $5.8M per year and shifted to signing 22/23 year olds to 7-year contracts @ $6.5M per year.

I really don't think there is a "lesson" to be learned here at all. Farabee wasn't signed by the Flames. Sharangovich will be interesting next year.

The Flames had two chances to sign Mangiapane before they gave him that big deal. The first one made sense for a guy off his ELC with a partial season in the NHL. But the second time going 2 years put them in a position where they paid the premium for the outlier season. They may have made a similar move with Sharongovich albeit UFA vs RFA and in a different cap environment.

We will see what happens with Zary. He's a guy with better pedigree, but had a frustrating injury riddled season last year. He may want the shorter deal to put himself in position to earn a better long term deal in two years. Hopefully he doesn't end up being a guy who got paid more as a 30 goal guy for doing it once and not hitting 20 in any other year. I honestly have no idea what a 7 year deal for him would look like today.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yeah between Risebrough, Button and the wizard, the Flames really had some stellar GMs

Such an odd obsession with Treliving.

"One of these things is not like the other!"

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Such an odd obsession with Treliving.

"One of these things is not like the other!"

What did you think of Treliving's deadline moves for the Leafs this season? Gave up a lot and received very little from those players in the playoffs. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Different city and organization, same old Brad. He's just not a very good GM.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What did you think of Treliving's deadline moves for the Leafs this season? Gave up a lot and received very little from those players in the playoffs. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Different city and organization, same old Brad. He's just not a very good GM.

When he loses Marner for nothing, I can't wait to see what he does to fix that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What did you think of Treliving's deadline moves for the Leafs this season? Gave up a lot and received very little from those players in the playoffs. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Different city and organization, same old Brad. He's just not a very good GM.

Do we really want to go through another run down of the good and the bad over the years.

Or just accept the fact that comparing him to Button and Risebrough was an over the top drive by?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Do we really want to go through another run down of the good and the bad over the years.

Or just accept the fact that comparing him to Button and Risebrough was an over the top drive by?

I wouldn't say it's over the top. Button and Riser were worse but the Flames have had exactly one very good GM in their history and that was Fletcher. After that it's bad to below average which is where Treliving hovers IMO. Conroy is already close to surpassing Treliving as far as team building and managing assets goes. I get it, you have a soft spot for Brad as he's by most accounts a pretty good guy. That's fine but you are kind of on an island if you think he was a good GM. He made a very small handful of really good moves surrounded by a lot of wasted draft picks for depth, some flat out terrible UFA signings, while mismanaging long term contracts for his best players.

Originally Posted by Macho0978

When he loses Marner for nothing, I can't wait to see what he does to fix that.

To be fair Marner has a NMC and Treliving did actually consider moving him for Rantanen at the deadline so you can't fault the GM when the player doesn't waive.

[Domoic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair Marner has a NMC and Treliving did actually consider moving him for Rantanen at the deadline so you can't fault the GM when the player doesn't waive.

He could have traded him before his NMC kicked in...

[Shazam]

An "odd obsession" with Tre?

His decisions are impacting the Flames in this year's draft.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't say it's over the top. Button and Riser were worse but the Flames have had exactly one very good GM in their history and that was Fletcher. After that it's bad to below average which is where Treliving hovers IMO. Conroy is already close to surpassing Treliving as far as team building and managing assets goes. I get it, you have a soft spot for Brad as he's by most accounts a pretty good guy. That's fine but you are kind of on an island if you think he was a good GM. He made a very small handful of really good moves surrounded by a lot of wasted draft picks for depth, some flat out terrible UFA signings, while mismanaging long term contracts for his best players.



To be fair Marner has a NMC and Treliving did actually consider moving him for Rantanen at the deadline so you can't fault the GM when the player doesn't waive.

So nice of you to summarize my position for me! And with a weak argument of being a good dude!

Risebrough destroyed a cup calibre team, and Button was here for 15 minutes.

It was a silly reach, and you know it.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Domoic

He could have traded him before his NMC kicked in...

Tre was hired about 5 weeks before Marner's NMC kicked in, and it's pretty well accepted that Tre was told by Shanny that he couldn't trade him.

[Buff]

I wonder if Treliving will take over Shanahan's job as well as GM.

[GioforPM]

I think Treliving is a pretty standard issue GM, and firmly in the middle of the pack. People here tend to judge him a little harder because he's (a) the ex-Flames GM and (b) the Leafs GM.

The funny thing is that the criticisms are wildly inconstent - "he doesn't make big moves" "he's always trying to win now" "he sits on his hands" "he's in on everything" "he's too cheap" "he overpays".