[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's amazing the hoops the doom and gloom crowd will jump though to try and argue the value of what reputable insiders give a player just because he plays for the Flames and that's their thing.

It's amazing the hoops the head-in-the-sand set will jump through to try and build something out of nothing (see how easy a dumb generalization is to make?). No insider has said what the Flames and Devils are talking about as possible returns. Fitz has said he would be open to moving the #10 pick - if something blew his doors off. You have to be crazy if you think a 34 year old goaltender whose numbers were up and down last season is that something. Team that 34 year old goaltender is coming from is irrelevant. No insider has suggested that the #10 is play for Markstrom nor discussed what the possible return could be. Only the imaginations of the posters here have made that a possibility.

The Devils don't have any option other than Markstrom here.

They have plenty of options. At this time of year everyone is available. The difference is the price they have to pay and the return they're going to get. Fitz has to make the determination of just how much they are willing to give up and for what player.

Saros isn't moving and on the off chance he does a 1st and Mercer + are going the other way, I would put money on that.

So please do. You can bet on almost anything on the internet these days, so please go and place a bet on it and stop saying with any certainty what is going to happen for New Jersey and what is going to happen with Nashville. Who knows, maybe Saros isn't the target for Fitz. Maybe he's thinking long-term and sniffing around a young guy that's about to pop. Maybe a guy like Askarov or Wolf is his real target?

There is no chance the Bruins are going to trade Ullmark to NJ imo, everything I have heard is that's not happening.

We all read the same blogs, listen to the same podcasts, and get the same media feeds as you. You're not breaking anything new or providing information others have not already heard. We understand what the "insiders" are saying. A trade between Boston and New Jersey doesn't seem likely unless Fitz over-pays. He has held firm and has not coughed up anything of value yet. If he does, it will be for a longer-term solution that fits the window of the team.

Conroy holds all the cards here in a deal, if NJ offers a 2025 protected pick and a B prospect Conroy hangs up because he doesn't have to move Jacob Markstrom. Either pay the price or have fun with Jake Allen.

I don't think Conroy holds many cards on the Markstrom front anymore. I think he overplayed his hand and it resulted in a damaged relationship between the player and the team. Based on comments in the media and from the "insiderz" Markstrom wants out. The cards once held are now back in the deck and a new hand has been dealt. We know multi-year retention is not something Conroy has been able to leverage to date, so that may or may not be something he's got on the table. We do know that Markstrom is on the block and what his performance was like after his name came out in trade rumors - it wasn't much better than Jake Allen's. The cards Conroy holds are those representing a 34 year old goaltender with two years on his contract at $6M a season and wanting to be on the east coast. At least that's what all the insiders are saying in the media. A deal is likely to happen, the question remains will the return be like what you're suggesting (10th over all pick plus) or closer to what a 34 year old player will demand? I suspect we'll see a return closer to Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov rather than the Toffoli or Lindholm deals. I mean, what would you expect Conroy to give up for a 34 year old with a middling track record of late?

[GioforPM]

Markstrom did not have an “up and down season”. The team in front of him did. Including the fact that the personnel changed drastically, especially on D. His advanced stats were consistent. He just had a lot more chances in front of him at times, especially post TDL.

[Rhett44]

I just don't see any world that an inconsistent aging goalie gets traded for #10. I'm even seeing some people saying the Devils are adding.

I think it's only been people on here speculating that. I see it more like a 2025 protected first for Markstrom, unless we add something to get this year's first.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Markstrom did not have an “up and down season”. The team in front of him did. Including the fact that the personnel changed drastically, especially on D. His advanced stats were consistent. He just had a lot more chances in front of him at times, especially post TDL.

No his advanced stats weren't consistent. They dropped off along with the teams play after the deadline.

He had a worse team in front of him but his expected goals were worse off after the deadline. That was to be expected really but let's not pretend he was consistent.

[Royle9]

I forget which media personality posted it, but Markstroms numbers (advanced stats) over the last few years are actually the best in the league. Yea without finding it, this post doesnt hold much water, but maybe someone else here can find it.

It compared him to all the top goalies.
It was also related to Martin Brodeur talking about how Markstrom is his #1 target and even at 34 he's the best goalie in the league in his mind.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://x.com/sungarrioch/status/179...Id-kuUoekIUv4A

Garrioch mentioning the Sens have taken a long look at Markstrom.

960 had Renaud Lavoie on today said the Senators are in play he was talking about the Sens possibly having to send Chabot back which I thought was crazy talk.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just don't see any world that an inconsistent aging goalie gets traded for #10. I'm even seeing some people saying the Devils are adding.

I think it's only been people on here speculating that. I see it more like a 2025 protected first for Markstrom, unless we add something to get this year's first.

Barn Burner talked about it with Darren Dreger on Friday's show. Pinder asked Dreger which side adds if its Markstrom and the 10th overall pick. Dreger's opinion, which did not seem to be based on a source, was that Fitzgerald should ask for a little retention in that scenario.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Barn Burner talked about it with Darren Dreger on Friday's show. Pinder asked Dreger which side adds if its Markstrom and the 10th overall pick. Dreger's opinion, which did not seem to be based on a source, was that Fitzgerald should ask for a little retention in that scenario.

Which to me seems crazy since we all assumed there would be retention already

[Psytic]

Waiting on TMZ Frank. In despite of what anyone thinks of him on here. His trade valuations for the Flames have been pretty bang on.

[Toonage]

It would be odd to me to see Ottawa agree not to give up this year's 1st from the Dadonov ordeal only to spend it on Markstrom. I'd welcome it, but that would be strange.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

960 had Renaud Lavoie on today said the Senators are in play he was talking about the Sens possibly having to send Chabot back which I thought was crazy talk.

Wild. So presumably eat a bunch of salary, get a nice draft pick and a decent asset in exchange.

If the flames (I.e ownership) are prepared to be a cost centre to grab some assets for their cap room, this will be a lot of fun this offseason.

[Toonage]

Flames do need defensemen...

[Mr.Coffee]

The 10 pick is being overrated here. It’s not even a guarantee this kid will be a regular NHLer, like what are the odds even, 50-60% the kid will be a solid player?

For a legit #1 goalie (one of the best in the NHL) to fill a crucial hole in your lineup and then if CGY retains some salary, doing it in cost control fashion?

Seems fair to me.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Wild. So presumably eat a bunch of salary, get a nice draft pick and a decent asset in exchange.

If the flames (I.e ownership) are prepared to be a cost centre to grab some assets for their cap room, this will be a lot of fun this offseason.

Renaud was speaking as if Chabot had value - like he said it he was a player the Flames would target in an Ottawa trade.

I would not take Chabot and his contract for free. I think this is just Renaud's typical tire pumping of francophone players.

[Muta]

Wonder if Ottawa is interested, if a Markstrom/Pinto deal could be worked out? Obviously other pieces would need balance it out somehow. Wasn't Pinto rumoured to be available last season anyways?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just don't see any world that an inconsistent aging goalie gets traded for #10. I'm even seeing some people saying the Devils are adding.

I think it's only been people on here speculating that. I see it more like a 2025 protected first for Markstrom, unless we add something to get this year's first.

I was listening to NHL satellite radio (Boomer & Hahn) and they mentioned Flames would expect NJ to add in this deal (their opinions).
Not saying I agree, or those guys are insiders, but the discussion hasn't only been on CP.
I don't think Markstrom for 10 is as far off as some are acting; but who/what adds, I don't know.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Renaud was speaking as if Chabot had value - like he said it he was a player the Flames would target in an Ottawa trade.

I would not take Chabot and his contract for free. I think this is just Renaud's typical tire pumping of francophone players.

Thought I had read once that the Flames were targeting Chabot in the 2015 draft apparently, before they traded the pick for Hamilton.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Chabot has had a rough couple years in Ottawa. I’ve no doubt he and Weegar could be a dominant pairing, Weegar makes anyone good next to him.

Wouldn’t mind a Chabot / 7th OA for Markstrom / ? kind of deal. Or if 7th OA isn’t available is anyone opposed to Chabot for Markstrom straight up?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Muta

Wonder if Ottawa is interested, if a Markstrom/Pinto deal could be worked out? Obviously other pieces would need balance it out somehow. Wasn't Pinto rumoured to be available last season anyways?

The difficulty for Ottawa is that Norris’ future is murky. When they had Stutzle and Norris locked up long-term, they could afford to consider moving Pinto. But now if they move Pinto, and Norris goes back on IR, the Sens are looking at Greig as their #2C. Which isn’t great if you’re aiming to be a playoff team.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The difficulty for Ottawa is that Norris’ future is murky. When they had Stutzle and Norris locked up long-term, they could afford to consider moving Pinto. But now if they move Pinto, and Norris goes back on IR, the Sens are looking at Greig as their #2C. Which isn’t great if you’re aiming to be a playoff team.

He was also suspended most of the year, and they needed help. But then he came back like an animal and rose his stock even more.