Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: moving on?

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by opendoor

That wouldn't be my main takeaway from those numbers, particularly for those that are at risk. People with an infection + 2 doses were twice as likely to be infected or hospitalized compared to people with an infection + 3 doses. Maybe you think an immediate 50% risk reduction is "useless", but I certainly don't share that opinion.

Could you please show me where in the preprint study it states that?

I thought that it said for hospitalizations, that previous infection+2 doses showed a 94% risk reduction as compared to 97% risk reduction for previous infections+3 doses.

Also, I never have said people more at risk shouldn’t get it; my consistent opinion is that healthy people don’t need it, especially if they’ve been vaccinated and previously infected.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Could you please show me where in the preprint study it states that?

I thought that it said for hospitalizations, that previous infection+2 doses showed a 94% risk reduction as compared to 97% risk reduction for previous infections+3 doses.

Also, I never have said people more at risk shouldn’t get it; my consistent opinion is that healthy people don’t need it, especially if they’ve been vaccinated and previously infected.

I havent read the study but following your numbers above if 100 people would have been hospitalized if no one was vaccinated you would have 6/100 hospitalizations for two dose + infect. In the 3 dose plus infect you have 3/100 so a 50% reduction in Hospitalizations from the booster.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ikaris

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...nada-1.6444674

As expected, boosting when previously infected with 2 doses is essentially useless.

Originally Posted by ikaris

Also, I never have said people more at risk shouldn’t get it; my consistent opinion is that healthy people don’t need it, especially if they’ve been vaccinated and previously infected.

Ohhhh sorry let me just ignore what you just wrote and pull out my “Rolodex Of Opinions” to see what the background is behind your “as expected, boosting when previously infected with 2 doses (whatever the #### that means) is essentially useless”.

[getbak]

From the linked story...

"What this study did was reinforce that if you got through COVID, you survived it, you will not only have a good protection from hospitalizations, but also you benefit from at least one if not two shots of vaccine," said Topol.

"In fact, if you got three shots you got to remarkable levels of protection against infection and hospitalization … So it encourages people who are still out there who had prior COVID to go get vaccinated."

[Fuzz]

A booster also increases your protection against infection from 68 to 83% if you have a previous infection. Ikaris, how many times can you be proven wrong befroe you drop this stupid crusade you are on to justify your ill-informed opinion? Worse, how many reading your posts have been convinced you have a point?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A booster also increases your protection against infection from 68 to 83% if you have a previous infection. Ikaris, how many times can you be proven wrong befroe you drop this stupid crusade you are on to justify your ill-informed opinion? Worse, how many reading your posts have been convinced you have a point?

If they were that easily swayed by absolutely no substance then I think they were a lost cause already.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A booster also increases your protection against infection from 68 to 83% if you have a previous infection. Ikaris, how many times can you be proven wrong befroe you drop this stupid crusade you are on to justify your ill-informed opinion? Worse, how many reading your posts have been convinced you have a point?

I think the Ikaris question is interesting. For example NACI currently does not recommend boosters for children. This is likely because the 50% increase in protection from hospitalization is not meaningful given the low initial risk. At some point this crosses over and the benefits of vaccination outweigh any side affects. But that point does exist somewhere and taking about where that point lies is reasonable.

The way Ikaris does it and seems to like to live in the areas where data os lacking like a Christian who believes in evolution creating a god of the gaps and then conflates a lack of data with backing his position is troubling.

But the wider question of a person of x age and x weight and x other contributing should get what vaccine program. The best answer we have right now for that is the NACI recommendations.

[Yellefan]

Just got back from 2 weeks at walt disney world in florida with my family… Florida has definitely moved on. I saw very few masks anywhere and huge crowds at all the parks. It’s a different world down there for sure.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Yellefan

Just got back from 2 weeks at walt disney world in florida with my family… Florida has definitely moved on. I saw very few masks anywhere and huge crowds at all the parks. It’s a different world down there for sure.

So have we. Been to the saddledome? No different here.

[Yellefan]

Originally Posted by chedder

So have we. Been to the saddledome? No different here.

I have been to the saddledome, and I understand that we have definitely loosened things up, it was just a whole other level down there that’s all.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Yellefan

I have been to the saddledome, and I understand that we have definitely loosened things up, it was just a whole other level down there that’s all.

I wasn't meaning to be a jerk. I just wonder whenever I hear this as there are absolutely zero restrictions here. I don't know how it can be any different.

[Yellefan]

Originally Posted by chedder

I wasn't meaning to be a jerk. I just wonder whenever I hear this as there are absolutely zero restrictions here. I don't know how it can be any different.

Not saying you were being a jerk, I think it’s more that I find people here to be much more cautious still. There are a lot more masks here still, Disney was piling as many people into the ride queue as possible “If you can see the carpet in front of you, keep moving to allow more people into the room”, full buses and monorails with no masks, sick people walking around coughing everywhere and nobody caring. I get it, we have no restrictions, but it was an adjustment for me for sure. I went maskless and joined the crowds too, but it’s weird to be back here after Florida is all.

[jayswin]

nm

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Yellefan

Not saying you were being a jerk, I think it’s more that I find people here to be much more cautious still. There are a lot more masks here still, Disney was piling as many people into the ride queue as possible “If you can see the carpet in front of you, keep moving to allow more people into the room”, full buses and monorails with no masks, sick people walking around coughing everywhere and nobody caring. I get it, we have no restrictions, but it was an adjustment for me for sure. I went maskless and joined the crowds too, but it’s weird to be back here after Florida is all.

That's us too for sure. Sick people walking around coughing everywhere is a weird anecdote as I've never seen lots of sick people (to the point of noticing many in public) that prevalent on any day, week, vacation or anything in my entire life on earth let alone during Covid, but I guess I'll take it at face value.

But yeah, I see the odd mask here and there in Calgary and that's it. Everything appears to be back to normal here as well. I mean, the Flames have thousands packed into a viewing area outside the Dome on top of 19289 inside. Not sure I share your view on Covid measures here at all.

My anecdotal feeling is that we're done with it here as well, completely.

[Yellefan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's us too for sure. Sick people walking around coughing everywhere is a weird anecdote as I've never seen lots of sick people (to the point of noticing many in public) that prevalent on any day, week, vacation or anything in my entire life on earth let alone during Covid, but I guess I'll take it at face value.

But yeah, I see the odd mask here and there in Calgary and that's it. Everything appears to be back to normal here as well. I mean, the Flames have thousands packed into a viewing area outside the Dome on top of 19289 inside. Not sure I share your view on Covid measures here at all.

My anecdotal feeling is that we're done with it here as well, completely.

Agree to disagree. In comparison to the 2 weeks I just spent in Florida I still see a LOT more masking than I did down there. I’m not talking about government restrictions (though the airport comparison between YYC and MCO were definitely 2 different worlds), but more of people’s attitude and actions around covid— nobody cared down there, whereas I still see masking and caution in a lot of cases here.

Anyhow I was just giving my observations from my recent experience of being in florida, it’s different than here, that is all.

[Erick Estrada]

I was in Seattle last month and I would say I saw more masks there than I do in Calgary but overall no matter where you are, people wearing masks now are a small minority.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I was in Seattle last month and I would say I saw more masks there than I do in Calgary but overall no matter where you are, people wearing masks now are a small minority.

Just an interesting anecdote. In Guelph Ontario most people are in masks, including employees. Busses require masks, and most events are suggesting masks. There are also businesses where zero employees wear masks, so it’s definitely not everywhere. But the majority that I’ve seen.

It’s just interesting how different little pockets of people can be.

I’ve visited a few different car dealerships over the last year and nobody was wearing masks at them. But it’s not even a big deal what your preference is. The first thing out of the salesman’s mouth to me was “hey would you be more comfortable if I wore a mask”, I said “nah we’re cool” and we moved on. I think even with the mask wearing in public spaces the town has moved on from COVID.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Just an interesting anecdote. In Guelph Ontario most people are in masks, including employees. Busses require masks, and most events are suggesting masks. There are also businesses where zero employees wear masks, so it’s definitely not everywhere. But the majority that I’ve seen.

It’s just interesting how different little pockets of people can be.

I’ve visited a few different car dealerships over the last year and nobody was wearing masks at them. But it’s not even a big deal what your preference is. The first thing out of the salesman’s mouth to me was “hey would you be more comfortable if I wore a mask”, I said “nah we’re cool” and we moved on. I think even with the mask wearing in public spaces the town has moved on from COVID.

Similar experience of mine recently here in Vancouver. Went to get my haircut and saw that nobody inside was wearing masks. Texted my barber that I had arrived and saw him come out with a mask on (he was the only person wearing one). Pulled mine out and put it on as I was seating myself in the chair. He told me I didn't have to but I told him it's not a big deal to me and kept it on.

Wish more people could manage interactions like this. So much easier than asking people if they're aware that it's no longer a mandate to wear masks. Who the eff cares and why does it bother you so much?

[PeteMoss]

The cognitive dissonance is some posters in this thread is just amazing.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Just an interesting anecdote. In Guelph Ontario most people are in masks, including employees. Busses require masks, and most events are suggesting masks. There are also businesses where zero employees wear masks, so it’s definitely not everywhere. But the majority that I’ve seen.

It’s just interesting how different little pockets of people can be.

I’ve visited a few different car dealerships over the last year and nobody was wearing masks at them. But it’s not even a big deal what your preference is. The first thing out of the salesman’s mouth to me was “hey would you be more comfortable if I wore a mask”, I said “nah we’re cool” and we moved on. I think even with the mask wearing in public spaces the town has moved on from COVID.

I think it depends where you are. Masks here in London are less but at least where I've been still the majority. Also varies by place - if I go to the discount grocery store - the %s of masks are less than if I go to the expensive grocery store.