LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[1qqaaz]

If Bean were available for cheap, I would be fine with exposing both Tanev and Gio.
Tanev would go down as a 1 year UFA signing win. Tough to see him leave, but having both Bean and Gio would be better, both short term and long term. Plus there would still be some cap savings.

Bean is basically another Valimaki. Same age, production, draft position. Valimaki is probably better defensively. But I think Bean has more offensive upside.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It is apples and oranges, but the Canes used a top 15 pick on Bean. Sucks to lose that for nothing particularly when the guy probably is going to be a solid young NHLer who has been blocked by their D depth. The Flames scenario would be Valimaki not getting injured and being exposed in this draft. Somewhat lucky that's not happening. Would fans be more upset to lose Gio or Valimaki?
(surprised they haven't flipped him yet to recoup something, even a 2nd round pick)

I would think trades will happen today, if they can't find a trade with Seattle

(i.e. like the Ryan Graves trade)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It is apples and oranges, but the Canes used a top 15 pick on Bean. Sucks to lose that for nothing particularly when the guy probably is going to be a solid young NHLer who has been blocked by their D depth. The Flames scenario would be Valimaki not getting injured and being exposed in this draft. Somewhat lucky that's not happening. Would fans be more upset to lose Gio or Valimaki?
(surprised they haven't flipped him yet to recoup something, even a 2nd round pick)

Yes it sucks but well run teams like the Hurricanes draft well and don't trade their draft picks are always going to be more susceptible much like the Ducks last expansion draft. I assume they feel they are better off just keeping their 1st round pick than trading it for Bean. As for the Flames if Valimaki wasn't injured I assume both Tanev and Gio would be available so really not much changes for the Flames except they probably lose the better defenseman in Tanev.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Friedman on 960 saying speculation is that Seattle is asking for a 1st and a 3rd to not pick a player. Even if it's just a 1st I can't see how the Flames could even consider that. Also says if the Kraken pick Gio that other teams will be inquiring about what it would take to acquire him. Sounds like the positives of taking Gio are so high that it's hard to imagine the Kraken backing down from their demands.

Trading Gio today is very hard due to the acquiring team needing to protect him.

Trading Gio after the expansion draft is a much easier, so I think what you've posted makes a ton of sense.

It's not really a question of Seattle bluffing or being greedy, it's likely based on Gio's value post expansion draft.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Friedman on 960 saying speculation is that Seattle is asking for a 1st and a 3rd to not pick a player. Even if it's just a 1st I can't see how the Flames could even consider that. Also says if the Kraken pick Gio that other teams will be inquiring about what it would take to acquire him. Sounds like the positives of taking Gio are so high that it's hard to imagine the Kraken backing down from their demands.

That’s an easy no. You can’t trade that much.

If the Flames feel they absolutely must keep Gio (I don’t agree), I think they should trade Hanifin or Tanev because Hanifin and Tanev should have high value after last season.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Trading Gio today is very hard due to the acquiring team needing to protect him.

Trading Gio after the expansion draft is a much easier, so I think what you've posted makes a ton of sense.

It's not really a question of Seattle bluffing or being greedy, it's likely based on Gio's value post expansion draft.

For sure, Ron Francis would not be doing his job correctly if he does not place pressure on each team within the league, he has to get maximum value.

If it was my call, I would definitely select Gio then move him at the deadline.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It is apples and oranges, but the Canes used a top 15 pick on Bean. Sucks to lose that for nothing particularly when the guy probably is going to be a solid young NHLer who has been blocked by their D depth. The Flames scenario would be Valimaki not getting injured and being exposed in this draft. Somewhat lucky that's not happening. Would fans be more upset to lose Gio or Valimaki?
(surprised they haven't flipped him yet to recoup something, even a 2nd round pick)

Waddell should be fired immediately.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If Bean were available for cheap, I would be fine with exposing both Tanev and Gio.
Tanev would go down as a 1 year UFA signing win. Tough to see him leave, but having both Bean and Gio would be better, both short term and long term. Plus there would still be some cap savings.

Bean is basically another Valimaki. Same age, production, draft position. Valimaki is probably better defensively. But I think Bean has more offensive upside.

Build a trade around Dube for Bean, protect 4 - 4

Expose Backlund and Giordano.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Build a trade around Dube for Bean, protect 4 - 4

Expose Backlund and Giordano.

That pairs nicely with ‘exploring every avenue to keep Giordano’, haha

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That pairs nicely with ‘exploring every avenue to keep Giordano’, haha

Yeah, it's not the best idea. Friday lunch hours...

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Build a trade around Dube for Bean, protect 4 - 4

Expose Backlund and Giordano.

Mangiapane would get taken.

Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk
Lindholm

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Just thinking about this. If you take into account that, for good or ill, the Flames are in "win now " mode with Sutter, and you look at performance and contracts... I am exposing Rasmus. I think, with his skills, speed and offense in particular, he is a #4, and I don't like that contract much for a #4 d-man. Leave him exposed - I think he is much easier to replace for that price than Giordano is for his price. I don't mind being free of that contract, given what I have seen in terms of production/performance. This is strictly from the perspective of short-term success. Otherwise, I just let Giordano go and not worry about it.

There is no way you expose Rasmus Andersson. He would be an easy trade for good returns before you would even consider it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Kraken are doing the right thing IMO as they have all the leverage. Maybe Treliving didn't expect the Kraken's demands to be so high but he should have known that Gio would have been a very attractive option for a variety of reasons. Seems like Treliving is backed into a corner here.

All of the GMs are backed into a corner.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Mangiapane would get taken.

Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk
Lindholm

I like Monahan a lot and defend him from what I think are some unfair criticisms or inaccurate descriptions of his play. That said, I don't expose Mangiapane over him, due to age, health and contract considerations, plus plain old stats.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Mangiapane would get taken.

Gaudreau
Monahan
Tkachuk
Lindholm

Yeah, not sure how I missed that. Oh well, my bad idea got worse!

Ok, so Bean isn't going to happen. Dreamkiller

[flambers]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Build a trade around Dube for Bean, protect 4 - 4

Expose Backlund and Giordano.

Flames will go with the 7-3-1

Trades for another dman, won't happen until after the expansion draft if the Flames are trying to acquire.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

There is no way you expose Rasmus Andersson. He would be an easy trade for good returns before you would even consider it.

Much prefer losing him than Hanifin, that much is for sure.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Kraken are doing the right thing IMO as they have all the leverage. Maybe Treliving didn't expect the Kraken's demands to be so high but he should have known that Gio would have been a very attractive option for a variety of reasons. Seems like Treliving is backed into a corner here.

Well any team with more than 3 defenseman or 8 skaters that are somewhat good is backed into a corner.

That's what an expansion draft is.

Certainly not the time for the guys not backed into a corner to start bragging about how thin they are.

[Bingo]

Honestly I wish they could find a way to keep Giordano.

I like the story.

And I like the chances of him going season to season into his 40s on one year deals and adding to the story.

But you can only pay so much for sentimentality.

And I'm honestly still curious how Tanev's contract plays out. I would surmise the vast majority of this site had him breaking into pieces after two years and having the Flames on the hook for his last two years as a face palm.

Does he play as well and stay as healthy in the next three?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well any team with more than 3 defenseman or 8 skaters that are somewhat good is backed into a corner.

That's what an expansion draft is.

Certainly not the time for the guys not backed into a corner to start bragging about how thin they are.

Which is why it boggles the mind a little that a non-contending, non-playoff team might be giving up such a high quality asset to expansion. Something wasn’t planned properly.

There are several teams better than the Flames who aren’t nearly as backed in to a corner.