The Legend of Sam Bennett

[chedder]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Best prospects in some time IMO. Closest thing to the next wave of franchise/generational talents, or trending in that direction at least.

Let's not forget even if you finish dead last you only have an 18.5% chance of picking first.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I doubt you get a first for Gio next TDL if the decline continues. And I just don’t see Tanev’s game declining for a few years. He’s a defensive D who relies more on positioning and intelligence than physicality or speed.

The decline has been sudden and dramatic but I think he is still a net positive player that would help a contender.
A first maybe a reach though.
Regehr got two 2nds in the trade to LA. Maybe that's a comparison.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wait, you think two of them will be exposed?

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Lucic

Even if Lucic doesn't waive, there are two more forward protection slots. Not sure who else the Flames would protect over Dube, Mangiapane, or even Backlund.

Assuming they had to expose 2 to meet the requirements.

But your point is a good one. Even if I am right on lucic the flames probably make a move to have someone else to expose making it one of those 3.

[Jacks]

Better return than I expected, hopefully that prospect develops well.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Assuming they had to expose 2 to meet the requirements.

But your point is a good one. Even if I am right on lucic the flames probably make a move to have someone else to expose making it one of those 3.

Yeah even if he doesn't waive it's Backlund vs one of the two vet defenseman as choices.

Dube and Mangiapane will never be in jeapardy.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by chedder

Let's not forget even if you finish dead last you only have an 18.5% chance of picking first.

All the more reason to acquire picks to help you move up. More to be done yet but stockpiling picks will help give us options.

[nixon45]

Decent return.

Won't miss Bennett at all but hope a change of scenery can help the kid out.

[sureLoss]

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
#Flames assistant GM Craig Conroy says newly acquired Emil Heineman was one of the team’s targets at the 2020 Draft before Florida took him seven picks before them.

Says Heineman compares to a Zach Hyman with his work ethic and details.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah even if he doesn't waive it's Backlund vs one of the two vet defenseman as choices.

Dube and Mangiapane will never be in jeapardy.

Yea, no matter what happens you have to protect:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
Dube

Hanifin
Andersson

Markstrom

Conventional wisdom would assume the others will be Backlund and Tanev which I agree with but I do think some people are not wrong in thinking the organization might not want to expose Gio.

I don’t see how you can leave Tanev unprotected after his play this year so it will be interesting to see what happens with the last defence spot.

No way Lucic doesn’t waive so I’m not even worried about the forwards.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That was my thinking. You have to consider the potential assets you get at the TDL next year when Gio has no term left. I think you can get something pretty good.

Plus Tanev has been terrific this year, but that doesn't mean he will be through the life of the contract. He probably won't be.

So all those factors have to be weighted
- Near-term and long-term salary implications
- Current and future quality of play for each player
- Potential return for Gio at the deadline next year
- Probability that Gio gets claimed
- Probability that Tanev gets claimed.

Let's say Gio can get you a late 1st at the TDL next year. Do you protect him to try and get that type of asset?

Right now Tanev is probably worth more as a player on the roster, but by next TDL Gio could be worth more as an asset to the organization

I think you also have to consider what you could get by using that cap space - ideally a sweetener with a bad deal/reclamation project that also fits a team need (say B Connolly). There's also injury risk of getting no return at all on Gio (whereas I'd argue losing him to ED the return is Kylington...).

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

There are no real cap concerns when you are picking up Kylington, he makes the league minimum. If you think he is a NHL player in the future you would pick him up and ride out the covid isolation, as you are not picking him up to win now. I think it is safe to say no other teams are that high on him either.

It does cost real $$$, and an acquiring team would have to keep them on their roster or else have to re-waive.

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Assuming they had to expose 2 to meet the requirements.

But your point is a good one. Even if I am right on lucic the flames probably make a move to have someone else to expose making it one of those 3.

Re-sign Ryan or Leivo or Nordstrom or anyone else.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Bennett seems to have crashed the other forum, HF. haha.

for a bit anyway.

Other forum? There are other Calgary Flames forums worth visiting?

[N-E-B]

This is a fantastic return for Bennett. Can’t complain.

[SuperMatt18]

Digging into Heineman a bit this afternoon and I like what I see.

Draft-1: Not huge production in his first year with the U-20 team and likely why he’s not on many teams radars for the draft.

Draft Year: Takes a huge step in production becoming almost a 1.4 PPG player in the U-20 league as an 18 year old, ranking pretty well among draft eligibles from Sweden. Ends up getting called up for 11 games in the SHL.

Draft + 1: Spends the full year on the main SHL squad with 0.3 PPG in a mens league, as a comparable top 10 picks Holtz and Raymond are 0.45PPG and 0.53 PPG respectively. Makes the WJC team.

So an interesting rise for him from a guy not even talked about as a draft pick to playing in Sweden’s top men’s league and the WJC within a couple seasons .

He looks really great in the video I’ve seen. Good skater and tenacious on the forecheck. Pretty sure he was a guy I remember standing out in the WJC too as being a great skater and just relentless on the forecheck.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=if11yKCnK40

[heep223]

I’m going to be happy not watching Bennett’s trampoline stick bounce pucks all over the ice. Glad we sent him far away though because he’s a beast when he decides to turn it on. Good luck in Florida!

[Tkachukwagon]

I dug up Scott Wheeler’s assessment on the Panther’s top prospects for 2021. Heineman was listed 16th, description below:

16. Emil Heineman, LW, 19 (Leksands IF)

It has been a bit of a transitional year for Heineman, who showed last season that he was ready to graduate out of Sweden’s top junior league but isn’t dynamic enough to have an immediate impact in the SHL. The good news is that in the interim while he tries to work his way into a scoring role at the pro level, he plays with enough hustle to succeed in a depth role by winning races, disrupting opposing carriers on the forecheck, and intercepting passes. He’s got a pitchfork skating stride that he’ll need to correct (though he’s actually quite quick on his edges) to elevate his game offensively at the pro level. There are some legitimate pro qualities to his game, though.

He’s a great one-touch and two-touch shooter, he protects the puck well to attack the interior, and I often argued last year that his playmaking flew a under the radar because of all of the focus on his high goal totals (I’ve seen him execute some really creative passes).

[Calgary4LIfe]

Wouldn't surprise me if Tanev is left exposed.


Giordano's drop isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He is still a great defencemen. Tanev is the team's best defensive defencemen, but I argue that for the money he is making, he needs to produce too. The good news is that he is a huge upgrade over Hamonic - both in how he actually plays defence, and how he arguably makes his partners better (or at the very least, doesn't bring them down like Hamonic did).


But he is a defencemen that doesn't produce offence. That's a fairly big cap hit for that. Losing Giordano is also losing the leadership. That's fine if you think that's an attribute that needs to go (I think Giordano is not only the best leader on the team, I can't think of another that I would go with).


Wouldn't shock me if Calgary kept Giordano and exposed Tanev. I have a feeling they will pay Vegas to take someone else altogether and try to keep the defencemen together, but time will tell. I do think that whomever is left exposed on defence (and I will include Andersson here too - Hanifin is the guy that I think is 100% safe), that will be the player that Seattle selects barring a trade with them.

Had we kept Bennett, I couldn't see Seattle picking him over Giordano or Tanev.

[IGGYRULES]

Gio won't get taken IMO. If he does he will be easily replaced. Year over year it's getting worse and worse. Love the guy, hope he stays, but no way in the world I expose the better d man in Tanev over Gio.

[heep223]

I don’t think Seattle would take Gio in any case. He’s old (albeit young and fresh). Honestly Gio is one of my favourite flames start to finish. Love the guy. Can never question his heart or effort. Happy to have him til he retires.

[transplant99]

Yeah...there is not a scenario around that sees Gio protected over Tanev unless there is agreement that CT not be chosen.

[dino7c]

Gio's partner has been a bum this year...I think his regression is grwati exaggerated by that and the forwards not scoring/goalies not saving