Spoilers allowed - Star Wars Episode IX

[nik-]

A whole lot of bull#### the last little bit here. If it wasn't for Ackbar informing us that it was a trap, we never would have known that we had indeed walked into a trap.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny because Admiral Raddus in Rogue One had a few neat moments and a total off screen death.

[speede5]

That's the reality of war. Death can come at any time. Sometimes it's heroic, sometimes you're just caught up in the s**t storm.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by speede5

That's the reality of war. Death can come at any time. Sometimes it's heroic, sometimes you're just caught up in the s**t storm.

This occurred in a battle where there were space horses doing a cavalry charge on top of a spaceship. I don't think this was a conscious choice, more like they never even thought about it.

[GreenLantern]

Ya, OK we have to choose between Nien Nunb getting the send off he deserves and more shots of the space cavalry charge.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nik-

This occurred in a battle where there were space horses doing a cavalry charge on top of a spaceship. I don't think this was a conscious choice, more like they never even thought about it.

It was analog! It was clever!

Of all incoming attacks a cavalry charge on horseback is probably something the Imperials, New Order, Sith, rando strangers living in weird, isolated space cluster, whoever the hell those guys were, would not be expecting.

They should have hired 'random cop #7' from Batman Begins just to utter the line; "They're not in spaceships, they're on horseback!!"

It would have been brilliant!

Okay, maybe 'brilliant' is a stretch but it still would have been less stupid than about a dozen other things that they actually did.

[Flabbibulin]

Liked it much more on second viewing, but still have some problems with the pacing and the amount they tried to fit in.

Rankings for me:

Star wars
Empire strikes back
Return of the jedi
Revenge of the sith
Force awakens
Rise of skywalker
Last jedi
Attack of the clones
Phantom menace

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Unpopular opinion alert.

Obi Wan and Anakins duel was one of the best scenes in all nine movies IMO. The emotion was there, the stakes were there,

Genuinely surprised by how many people seem to feel this way.

I thought it started off OK but dragged on for waaaaaaay too long. Then they start with the swinging from vines Tarzan style banging away at each other as they pass, jumping from platform to platform.....just ugh.....

This was a duel in the making for a long time and really think they blew it. On top of that, I really don't think Obi Wan should have been able to keep up with Anakin based on what we saw in previous movies. In the Clone Wars, Duku takes down Obi Wan with ease, did the same with Anakin. In RotS, Duku once again takes down Obi Wan with ease but is killed by Anakin as he has learned plenty since their last encounter. This to me suggests that Obi Wan wasn't the best with a light saber and should have been no match at all for Anakin but managed to win the battle, and a long drawn out one at that.

To me, the best light saber duels weren't in the movies at all, they were all cut scenes from video games I think. And the recently re-done battle between Obi Wan and Vader from A New Hope was fantastic too.

IMO, the best duel in the movies was in the Phantom Menace at the end. That one more a less lived up to the hype.

Finally saw Ep 9 last night and although not perfect, MILES better than The Last Jedi. That one needs to be wiped from history along with Ep 1-3. Agree with others that the Palpatine reveal maybe should have been later in the movie instead of right from the start. However, loved what they did with him. Dark and powerful AF. The lightning attack he unleashed was incredible.

It also had one thing every other movie lacked, the good guys with overwhelming numbers. FINALLY! The fleet was enormous (and admittedly rounded up in a real hurry) but good to see.

Last edit.....

Loved C3P0 in this one. Ever since Ep2 (well, all of ep 1-3 actually) and the cliche after cliche he rattled off near the end of the movie I've wanted to see him get vaporized. But he was great in this one. "I'm just looking at my friends one last time" almost brought a tear to my eye. Solid addition in this movie. Much less of an annoyance and actually brought something to the movie.

Meh...ok, THIS is the last edit. My ranking:

Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi (only edges out A New Hope due to awesome space battle at the end)
A New Hope
Rise of Skywalker
The Force Awakens
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
The Last Jedi
Clone Wars (this was 100% garbage beginning to end)

[blankall]

^^^^^

I didn't think the scene was the best. However, you need to have Obi Wan defeat Anakin to make the lightsabre battle in ANH meaningful. It has to be a rematch that Vader has been waiting for and one that Obi Wan throws.

As for why Anakin loses, it wasn't due to a skill mismatch. Anakin's thoughts were clouded and Obi Wan had taught Anakin, so Obi Wan knew all of Anakin's weaknesses. Something that Anakin would have recognized, if he hadn't been blinded by rage.

If anything the Dooku fight was unneeded, and was just a set up to have Yoda fight for fan-service reasons and to appease the post-PM rage.

[CaptainCrunch]

On the Obi-Wan side of things, he wasn't a super powerful jedi by any stretch and they really worked to emphasize that on the book side of things. Even his light sabre style Soresu was a pure defensive style and considered to be very simple.


However there were two things that were really emphasized in the Revenge of the Sith book. When Obi-Wan went off to fight Grievous, he went with intent and commitment and focus and because of that really opened himself up to the force like never before. In a sense he became a extension of the Force. When Anakin went off to Mustafar, he was powerful, but he was still confused by his place, he as Palpatine would later say, was lucky because he lacked any kind of focus, he basically hadn't really learned how to fully tap into and commit to the Dark Side, he was also supremely arrogant and didn't believe that Obi could even on his best day beat him.


What I liked about the Obi Anakin fight was simple. It went on for so long because they had fought together for so long and they were literally like brothers. They knew what each other was going to do in every instance. You saw that when they both threw force pushes at the same time. What doomed Anakin was his arrogance and reliance on his new powers that he really wasn't understanding at all. Meanwhile Obi fell back into his simple defensive style and waited patiently for Anakin to make a mistake.


I liked the Obi/Ani fight a lot. I really liked the Maul Obi Qui-gon fight because Maul was just so smooth in it.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Hmm, okay, you guys make some good points. I'll always feel like there was too much filler in that duel but can accept, at minimum, why Obi Wan was able to keep up.

I'm just glad this last one was good, otherwise after 42 yrs and 9 episodes, only the originals and one of the new ones was ever worth watching.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Hmm, okay, you guys make some good points. I'll always feel like there was too much filler in that duel but can accept, at minimum, why Obi Wan was able to keep up.

I'm just glad this last one was good, otherwise after 42 yrs and 9 episodes, only the originals and one of the new ones was ever worth watching.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to outright dismiss the prequels as garbage, because the delivery, execution, and all the accessory stuff was just so awful. However, most of the substantive content and overall story line was very well thought out by Lucas.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

Yeah, it's pretty easy to outright dismiss the prequels as garbage, because the delivery, execution, and all the accessory stuff was just so awful. However, most of the substantive content and overall story line was very well thought out by Lucas.

I place the prequels ahead of TLJ on my list because of precisely that. Yes, the shortcomings of the prequels is well documented, but the story arc is cohesive. The rise of Palpatine is done well and the seduction of Anakin to the dark side is believable. Overall, there are many good parts in the prequels, not least of which was the duel between Obi Wan and the newly minted Darth Vader.

There are no redeeming qualities of TLJ, and the story arc of the sequels is dumb (there isn't one).

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I place the prequels ahead of TLJ on my list because of precisely that. Yes, the shortcomings of the prequels is well documented, but the story arc is cohesive. The rise of Palpatine is done well and the seduction of Anakin to the dark side is believable. Overall, there are many good parts in the prequels, not least of which was the duel between Obi Wan and the newly minted Darth Vader.

There are no redeeming qualities of TLJ, and the story arc of the sequels is dumb (there isn't one).

Good story framework, terrible execution across the board.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I place the prequels ahead of TLJ on my list because of precisely that. Yes, the shortcomings of the prequels is well documented, but the story arc is cohesive. The rise of Palpatine is done well and the seduction of Anakin to the dark side is believable. Overall, there are many good parts in the prequels, not least of which was the duel between Obi Wan and the newly minted Darth Vader.

There are no redeeming qualities of TLJ, and the story arc of the sequels is dumb (there isn't one).

She died of Sadness. Sadness!!

[CaptainCrunch]

I went back and watched it for a second time today, because I had a friend that hadn't seen it, and I needed to get out of the house.


Its really to me not all that watchable the second time around. While there were scenes that I really liked, like the very end. There were so many elements that a second time around made me groan.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I went back and watched it for a second time today, because I had a friend that hadn't seen it, and I needed to get out of the house.


Its really to me not all that watchable the second time around. While there were scenes that I really liked, like the very end. There were so many elements that a second time around made me groan.

This nails it. These films won’t age well at all unfortunately and no doubt Disney realizes that and that’s why they are pausing future movies. They can’t risk eroding the value of the franchise with everything they are investing.

[nik-]

They won't age well at all because they're generic JJ Abrams actionfests with no story.

Get him and Kennedy away from the franchise

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its really to me not all that watchable the second time around. While there were scenes that I really liked, like the very end. There were so many elements that a second time around made me groan.

Funny, I had the opposite reaction on 2nd viewing where I liked it even more. Easily the most enjoyable film in the trilogy IMO.

[Inglewood Jack]

They won’t age well because they’re not even a freaking actual trilogy. They’re three movies filmed in sequence with the same characters but barely any ties to each other because Disney thought it would be fun to stage a multi-billion dollar cockfight between two directors with nothing in common.