Gulutzan loses his cool at practice

[cofias]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That is fair, they were the better team.

Also, and still, the actual goals they managed to get in the first were very, very fortunate

Glad they won, of course

Whether you like it or not there is a huge amount of luck involved in every single hockey game at this level of parity. The job of the coach and players is to give themselves the best possible chance of winning by generating more scoring chances than the opposition, which the Flames did last night, rancid power play aside. Whether the chances that happened to go in were lucky or not, the Flames were the better team, deserved to win and deserve credit for that. So many games this season, the Flames have outplayed their opponents but had unlucky goals against snatch away the two points. They hardly received credit for their play in most of those games.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

For the sake of clarity, I agree they were ready at the start, tonight. No argument there.

And in my opinion the Flames first period goals were lucky, be it capitalizing on a miscue or a lucky bounce on a puck headed wide.

The Ducks 2 goals were arguably more well earned.

I don’t love the coaching staff, based on several factors, but will surely give you that they had a better start than usual.

Heck, if they didn’t after being national headlines, there was going to be huge trouble.

How is silfverberg's goal earned and Ferlands goal not?

Both resulted because of a giveaway and then players making a play.

I am not a fan of GG in who he sometimes puts on the ice and in what situation, but Calgary looked great in the first. The staff had them ready to go

Cameron and that PP unit however.. that needs to be fixed asap

[the2bears]

New statistical category, Goals*, indicating goals that aren't quite good enough goals.

[jayswin]

As a pretty vocal critic of Glen Gulutzen and someone who still has to see this level of play sustained for awhile to be convinced I don't know why anyone would say anything other than the coaching staff had the boys ready to play last night and deserve huge credit for that win.

Why strain beyond stating that? It was great to see and the signs are there that this could work. My opinion may still be that we'd be better off with a different coach but I'd MUCH rather be proven wrong and get to watch this group and staff win a cup than see them have to restart under a new coach.

I'll state my opinion every time a coach discussion arises on here, but I'm cheering for my opinion to be wrong every time the game starts, lol.

[Tinordi]

Gully has heard the criticism that he doesn't show enough emotion. Last night yelling from the bench, the caber toss, are signs that he's tuned into the general sentiment

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Gully has heard the criticism that he doesn't show enough emotion. Last night yelling from the bench, the caber toss, are signs that he's tuned into the general sentiment

Absolutely, now let's work on making a big trade to upgrade our top six scoring so we can become a threat in the West.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Absolutely, now let's work on making a big trade to upgrade our top six scoring so we can become a threat in the West.

Why though? Who in our current top 6 doesn't belong?

[jayswin]

It's not about who doesn't belong it's about adding another legit, scoring star on a forward group that struggles to score.

I know during a win streak is the worst time to state that because fans tend to get biased and believe there's no scoring issues because they see scoring and wins in their most recent memory, but this team still needs another major threat, imo.

[Toonage]

Yeah top 6 is fine. Fix the 4L as they are going to get minutes and fix that PP

[jayswin]

For example, as great as 3M has been for us they're not dangerous enough offensively and Tkachuk's offensive talent is held back slightly because of this, imo.

On a Cup contender I believe you'd push Frolik down and use him as a versatile winger that plays up and down the line-up (his own words when he was signed), then you'd upgrade 2nd line right wing through trade with a defenseman.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - acquired goal scorer

This is important not only for adding another dangerous scoring threat but also for getting the most offensively out of Tkachuk.

[TheFlamesVan]

Froliks offensive abilities are greatly underrated on this board.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

Froliks offensive abilities are greatly underrated on this board.

Not really. He can go on streaks a few times a year but night to night he's a not much of a threat offesnivly. Don't get me wrong he's not bad and fits a second line assignment admirably.

Ultimately though, Brad wasn't talking to hear himself talk when he said "the one thing that keeps me up at night is wondering where the goals will come from". Our goal isn't to have adequate goal scoring our goal is to contend in the playoffs and that will require an upgrade at offense, imo.

[jayswin]

I should take my own advice though and not advocate for filling a need during a win streak, I've been here enough years to know exactly how this will go, haha. Everything seems perfect and ready to challenge for the cup during a win streak, I get that.

Ironically, this would actually be the best time to deal from strength and address weakness as opposed to when fans want to do it during the struggles. This is the time no matter how much it feels like nothing should be changed because of recent success.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Really, man?

Which is a better goal?
1. Getzlaf slapper - a laser past Smith top corner
2. Gio slapper - headed wide, bounces off Bieksa shin pad and in

Not trying hard, just commenting on what anyone should be able to see. Off you go.

Probably 3/4 or the goals in the NHL are caused by fortunate bounces or luck, I don't get at all what your gettting at.

The fact is that you earn your breaks, and the Flames earned those two goals, they probably could have had a few more, but luck also denied them on those.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by zamler

Things are way too serious in here.

Oh please, please PLEASE put the CalgaryPuck logo on that dude's shirt!

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Not really. He can go on streaks a few times a year but night to night he's a not much of a threat offesnivly. Don't get me wrong he's not bad and fits a second line assignment admirably.

Appreciate your opinion but I disagree. when he went down that 2nd line were all essentially equal in shots on goal. It's a well balanced 2 way line, and all three players are an offensive threat. Sure you might be able to improve the offensive ability of the line, but at what cost? You have to spend assets that in my opinion don't need to be spent. And on a consistent basis do you improve the overall abilities of that line?

I personally really like the look of our lineup as it stands, and believe they can back it with consistent play.

Edit: just looked up some stats out of interest, and Frolik is currently 8th in SOG and 8th in shooting percentage. Gio and Hamilton top 3 in SOG

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jayswin

As a pretty vocal critic of Glen Gulutzen and someone who still has to see this level of play sustained for awhile to be convinced I don't know why anyone would say anything other than the coaching staff had the boys ready to play last night and deserve huge credit for that win.

Why strain beyond stating that? It was great to see and the signs are there that this could work. My opinion may still be that we'd be better off with a different coach but I'd MUCH rather be proven wrong and get to watch this group and staff win a cup than see them have to restart under a new coach.

I'll state my opinion every time a coach discussion arises on here, but I'm cheering for my opinion to be wrong every time the game starts, lol.

Came to say pretty much exactly this. I too am not yet convinced long-term, but the simple fact of the matter is that things have been better lately. Many of the criticisms have been improved upon.

As Tinordi said, he has listened to the criticism of his lack of emotion, and he has adjusted. There is no question that he has been far more passionate on the bench. And that's not all.

He has made many adjustments with the player usage. Hathaway is on the third line, Mangiapane is playing, Brouwer has been (mostly) taken off the PP, Giordano has replaced Brodie on the top PP.

The team has played better of late. And if you criticize him when they are playing bad, then you also have to acknowledge the reverse. I would argue that the LA and Anaheim games (especially the Ducks) were as big as any games this year, and the Flames played well. And they played with emotion.

We have seen in-game adjustments as well. As Cameron mentioned last night, they adjusted the way they set up in the neutral zone against the Ducks, and it worked both offensively and defensively.

I could go on, but the point is made. The Flames are playing better, and Gulutzan is doing a better job. And he is doing many of the exact things we fans have been demanding. To not recognize those things is just being stubborn.

Personally, I need to see a lot more before I am convinced that he is the right coach for this team. But I absolutely acknowledge that there has been drastic improvement lately, I tip my hat to him for the way they have played these last 3 games, and I am becoming a little more optimistic about the season.

We shall see of course, but for now anyway: good job everyone!

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ To add, I won't come around until the PP issue is resolved and he fixes the 4th line. He is the one responsible for the implementation of systems and who gets to play within those systems. It is the coach who decides who is on the ice when. When those things turnaround I'll happily eat crow on Gulutzan's coaching ability. To me, he doesn't adapt, and that is his greatest problem/weakness.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by New Era

^^^ To add, I won't come around until the PP issue is resolved and he fixes the 4th line. He is the one responsible for the implementation of systems and who gets to play within those systems. It is the coach who decides who is on the ice when. When those things turnaround I'll happily eat crow on Gulutzan's coaching ability. To me, he doesn't adapt, and that is his greatest problem/weakness.

I'll add one more- play TJ Brodie on the right side where he is comfortable and has shown his best play.

[Tinordi]

Power play is still a huge problem. So much so that getting a four minute PP in the middle of the third when you're up two goals is a turning point... for the other team.

Not only is the PP unproductive, it's arguably a net negative. Fans joke about declining a PP but in this case it's embarrassingly warranted. Flames PPs are a 50/50 coin flip on which team benefits.

Gully absolutely needs to fix this if there's any hope to righting the season.