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Old 06-30-2016, 05:23 PM   #401
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Yeah Weber probably deserves better than this and I hope it never gets to the point where fans start booing him. That said the fans in that market played a roll in running Subban out of town so be careful what you wish for.
If the Habs are struggling out of the gate, I expect they'll be booing him by late November.
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Old 06-30-2016, 08:43 PM   #402
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The tax rate difference between Tennessee & Quebec for NHL players is 39.6% compared to 49.7%. Sure PK loses his NMC, but I think the extra cash in his pocket is a nice consolation prize.
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The tax rate difference between Tennessee & Quebec for NHL players is 39.6% compared to 49.7%. Sure PK loses his NMC, but I think the extra cash in his pocket is a nice consolation prize.
I think it's worst than that, Subban makes $11m this year.

In Montreal

53.10% tax = $5,840,765.98

In Nashville

39.20% tax = $4,312,169.95

Subban will save $1,528,596 this year in Tennessee

http://gavingroup.ca/personal-income...in-nhl-cities/
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I think it's worst than that, Subban makes $11m this year.

In Montreal

53.10% tax = $5,840,765.98

In Nashville

39.20% tax = $4,312,169.95

Subban will save $1,528,596 this year in Tennessee

http://gavingroup.ca/personal-income...in-nhl-cities/
It doesn't work like that though. I'm fairly sure they pay taxes in the states/provinces they play and that includes away games (ie pay New York taxes for "days worked" in Buffalo for example)
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Old 06-30-2016, 10:15 PM   #405
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I feel sorry for Weber (as sorry as one can feel for a millionaire athlete), going from relative anonymity to the fishbowl that is Montreal

I really hope he has a good year but hopefully the Habs are still terrible
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Old 06-30-2016, 10:24 PM   #406
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:15 AM   #408
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It doesn't work like that though. I'm fairly sure they pay taxes in the states/provinces they play and that includes away games (ie pay New York taxes for "days worked" in Buffalo for example)
I heard this mentioned before but I highly doubt it's true, does a salesman who travels 10 months of the year pay tax to every state/province he makes a deal in? unless it's some kind of an internal league office thing to try to even out player taxes it makes no sense as the state doesn't make a dime more. a person pays taxes where they live or at least where they say they live. (cough..Murray Edwards..cough)
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It doesn't work like that though. I'm fairly sure they pay taxes in the states/provinces they play and that includes away games (ie pay New York taxes for "days worked" in Buffalo for example)
I've never heard this about athletes before, if this were true I'd have to think it would be part of every single article ever written about athlete salaries. I also can't think of any other industry where this would be the case.

I 100% do not believe you and will not until such time as I see evidence.
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I've never heard this about athletes before, if this were true I'd have to think it would be part of every single article ever written about athlete salaries. I also can't think of any other industry where this would be the case.

I 100% do not believe you and will not until such time as I see evidence.
Here's a basic rundown on how it works:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax

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The modern "jock tax" originated in 1991, when California imposed the tax on the earnings of Chicago Bulls players who traveled to Los Angeles to play the Lakers in that year's NBA Finals. Illinois soon retaliated, imposing its own "jock tax" on out-of-state players—although Illinois' tax is only imposed on athletes from states that impose jock taxes on Illinois-based players. Other states followed suit; by 2014, the only U.S. jurisdictions with major professional teams without a jock tax were Florida, Texas, Washington state, and Washington, D.C.(the three states do not impose personal income taxes, while the U.S. Congress specifically prohibits the District from imposing its income tax on non-residents who work there).
The article goes on to say that professional athletes may have to file up to 20 state income tax returns every year because of this ridiculous tax. Not only that, the tax applies to everyone who travels with the team – including gofers, batboys, and other people who may not be earning much over minimum wage to begin with.

I'm surprised you didn't know about this, and more surprised that you would refuse to believe it once told.
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Rumblings the Canadiens let their analytics guy go after he vehemently opposed this trade

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/s...-subban-trade/

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A source told Sportsnet that Matt Pfeffer, who was hired as an analytics consultant at the beginning of the 2015-16 season, made an impassioned and elaborate presentation to management to dissuade them from following through on this trade.

Ignoring Pfeffer’s advice only served to reinforce the notion that Bergevin was following different criteria in his evaluation of both players, said the source, who also suggested Pfeffer’s vehemence on the matter might have ultimately cost him the job (he was told on Wednesday that his contract won’t be renewed). The Canadiens would not comment on why they aren’t renewing his contract, but they did say that they are looking into other analytics solutions.
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lolz.

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...you're doing it wrong.
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Who wouldn't want Weber on their team?
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Old 07-14-2016, 09:03 AM   #414
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Who wouldn't want Weber on their team?
Depends. Do you have to trade Subban to get him?
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lolz.

Analyst: 'Data doesn't back this play!'

*fired*

GM: "Looking for data that will support the way I see it! Send me resumes!"


...you're doing it wrong.
Man, when you put it THAT way it sounds almost Oileresque.
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It doesn't work like that though. I'm fairly sure they pay taxes in the states/provinces they play and that includes away games (ie pay New York taxes for "days worked" in Buffalo for example)
I'm not sure how accurate this is, but either way when you consider he will be playing 40 fewer games in Quebec it's still around 3/4 of a million dollars in savings.
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must be willing to overlook own analysis.
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Rumblings the Canadiens let their analytics guy go after he vehemently opposed this trade

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/s...-subban-trade/


Man, Montreal has quickly turned into a complete joke of a franchise. Going to be one hell of a rough awakening for the regime over there, but it's the fans paying the real price.
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